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Posted on 5/12/19 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 2:37 pm
Did my first Full Ironman yesterday in Santa Rosa, Cali. It felt good to achieve something that I’ve been training 12-16 hrs/week for the last 2 years for.
Posted by kritra
Lafayette
Member since May 2008
231 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:46 am to
How'd you do? And have you gotten over the "I'll never do that again" stage and signed up for another one?

Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12610 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:10 am to
quote:

I’ve been training 12-16 hrs/week for the last 2 years


If you were training 12-16 hours per week for two years, you must have done quite well. Did you qualify for Kona?


ETA: Nevermind. I see your result now. . . . .
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 10:18 am
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:10 pm to
Qualifying for Kona takes more than 3 years for most folks. I expected to do better than 12:37, but I think between the roads being terrible and me being timid and conservative bc it was first one I took about an hour longer on the bike than anticipated. I am definitely gonna do another one though. Might finish the year out with a half, do another half in the spring and then do another full at the end of next year.
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12610 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:36 pm to
Seriously, congrats on the race. It's a hell of an accomplishment.

quote:

I am definitely gonna do another one though. Might finish the year out with a half, do another half in the spring and then do another full at the end of next year.





I did a little stalking of you, and it seems like you must have a running background - or at least be most comfortable running. If you're going to do another ironman, you need to spend a lot of quality time in the pool.

And if you truly are spending 12-16 hours training per week (which I highly doubt), you have the potential to really knock a ton of time off of your races if you focus your training on your weaknesses.

Your bike needs work. There is a TON of opportunity for time savings there. Again, with the amount of time you apparently have available for training, if you focus your bike training, do some really quality training, you can knock a LOT of time off of your race there.

And your swim is as bad as mine was when I was doing triathlons (the reason I stopped racing triathlons - I am not good at swimming and didn't enjoy it enough to put a ton of time into it). Live in the pool and on the bike for a while. Run enough to stay fit.
Posted by kritra
Lafayette
Member since May 2008
231 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:28 pm to
I know you didn't ask for advice but Inomm started the unsolicited :) so I'll piggyback.

12:37 is really good on that course and you were smart to be conservative. Now you know what the distance is like.

A lot of people disregard the swim thinking they will just get through it. That is horrible thinking. Don't just go to the pool and do a bunch of lazy 400's. Get in with a Master's group if possible and get your butt kicked daily until you are hanging with the lead group on send off's.

If possible, ride 5x's a week. Most people go with the formula of two weekday 1 hour rides and a long ride on the weekend. If you have the time to do 3 weekday, hard rides, a weekend 1.5 hour ride and a weekend 5-6 hour ride do it. With that type of swim and bike training plus your running acumen you'd be a force.

Edit to add that I'm curious what your training was like leading up to it. My last IM was in '09 but I still coach a few people so I'm always wondering what other people are doing.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 1:32 pm
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12610 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

I know you didn't ask for advice but Inomm started the unsolicited :) so I'll piggyback.


Guilty as charged. Sorry, Andy! kritra is right, 12:37 is legit.

Besides, I really am not in any place to give triathlon (or any fitness) advice right now. It's been a couple of years now since I was competitive in anything endurance-related. Having kids took any will I had to train. I don't want to be away from them for hours on end during weekends . . . . yet
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:54 pm to
The swimming I am weak at, but usually a little better than that. If you wanna do a little more stalking(lol) you’d see that I went sub-5 in Galveston last year and 5:13 in CDA(which is considered the toughest half in America). And although I ran 4:08 in the marathon, I ran 1:27 at the Louisiana Half marathon last year.
I think I just underperformed because I didn’t realize exactly how to pace it. I mean, I averaged 20.5mph in CDA on the bike and it was hillier than this race, but roads were much better. I could barely spend any time in aero on the roads on Saturday and had to sit on the breaks on the downhills bc I was afraid I’d get a flat. I guess you live and you learn and this will definitely motivate me to get back out there stronger.
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12610 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

little more stalking(lol)




Yea, I definitely saw you are quite capable. I noticed you're a strong runner.

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1:27 at the Louisiana Half marathon


frick, this reminds me. I need to get back at it and start training again. In 2016, I was training my butt off for a half-marathon with the goal of cracking 1:30. I had the fitness, then my daughter was born. Haven't run since.

quote:

I think I just underperformed


It was your first full. I've never done a full (and I was young, dumb, and ill-prepared in the only Half I've done), so I can't even imagine the pain or the mental/physical fortitude to keep pushing for that long of a stretch.

Good luck on the next race, man!
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 3:01 pm to
I swim Masters with Tiger Aquatics MWF at 5am and Will Jones with 4D Racing writes my workouts. I did win a Bodybuilding competition 7 years ago though, so I’m still working with a 5’8” 200lb frame. And although I’m lean and “look good” it doesn’t help the speed, especially in the pool!lol
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12610 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

Will Jones with 4D Racing writes my workouts


Will writes your bike/run workouts right? Not your swim workouts?
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 3:08 pm to
No, Kayla, the swim coach at TAQ writes them for us every morning when we show up. Will will write a few the week or two before the race, but he mainly leaves the guys who go to a masters programs swim workouts to the masters coaches.
I’ve come a long way with the swimming. I used not be able to swim a straight 50!lol But I still have a long way to go and unfortunately 5am is when I do all my swims and the only time I might sleep in a little later and miss a workout!lol
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12610 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 3:19 pm to
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No, Kayla, the swim coach at TAQ writes them for us every morning when we show up. Will will write a few the week or two before the race, but he mainly leaves the guys who go to a masters programs swim workouts to the masters coaches.
I’ve come a long way with the swimming. I used not be able to swim a straight 50!lol But I still have a long way to go and unfortunately 5am is when I do all my swims and the only time I might sleep in a little later and miss a workout!lol




Heard that, brother. I know all about the sleep. If I don't get a workout in before work, my chance has gone. And sleep has been a premium for me for the past two years, so I haven't done anything remotely looking like training in a long time.

Glad to hear you have some good swim coaching. Will is like you and me - he is not a natural swimmer, I'm sure he'd admit it. But he's damn talented at getting endurance athletes FAST. He's a really solid coach and a great athlete himself. I've never been coached by him, but his athletes have whipped my arse on the bike for years when I was racing bikes.
Posted by RJL2
Bruno's Tavern
Member since Apr 2015
1933 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:04 pm to
Congrats. That's an incredible accomplishment. I started training for one then I realized I will never be able to run that far without injuring myself.
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:38 pm to
I’ve got a buddy whose a pro who competes in halves and says he has no interest in ever training for a full bc of injury probability.
It’s weird how that point in a half Ironman I’m running at like a 7:16 pace instead of my regular 6:40 half marathon pace, but in the full 8:30 and 9:00 miles are all I got left!
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 1:39 pm
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

It’s weird how that point in a half Ironman I’m running at like a 7:16 pace instead of my regular 6:40 half marathon pace, but in the full 8:30 and 9:00 miles are all I got left!


Running has always been my weakness. But I was running 11 minute miles and felt like I couldn't move faster. It's also crazy how I felt like king of the world at the end of the bike. I was blowing my expected times out of the water and cut back on the bike hard to save myself for the run. I was like 25 watts under my power that I trained with at the end of the day. Was really a nutrition thing where I just felt sick, but after about 8 miles, everything was gone. I went from thinking I'd be at around 11.5 hours to working hard to beating 13 hours. And it all came down to the run.

The race isn't the worst thing in the world, but the training is just too much. I'd love to do one again, but I'd just have to have a 6 month window of nothing. And I'll have to run a 3:45 or under full marathon with a huge running base to attempt again. I can swim sub 1:15, can ride at a 20mph average......but none of it matters when I can't run for sh*t.


Sounds like you have some low hanging fruit on the swim. But otherwise, I think you'll make a huge improvement just based on the experience. I think I could be in the same exact physical shape and shave 20+ minutes off of my time just making a few different choices.
Posted by RJL2
Bruno's Tavern
Member since Apr 2015
1933 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:53 am to
quote:


I’ve got a buddy whose a pro who competes in halves and says he has no interest in ever training for a full bc of injury probability.


I don't even want to do a half. Anything over 10 miles is rough for me. I can swim and bike all day but the impact of running messes me up. I stick to shorter tris
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