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Unlimited resources, time included
Posted on 1/22/24 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 1/22/24 at 6:15 pm
Let’s say you had an inexhaustible amount of time and money, and therefore unrestricted access to the best equipment, teachers, and facilities, do you think that you (in your athletic prime) could have earned a PGA tour card?
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 6:28 pm to Tigerbait1998
Probably not.
Think of how many retired pro athletes in their mid thirties have all the time and resources in the world and still can’t make it happen. Michael Phelps comes to mind.
Think of how many retired pro athletes in their mid thirties have all the time and resources in the world and still can’t make it happen. Michael Phelps comes to mind.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 6:28 pm to Tigerbait1998
No. Even if you just focused on the physical aspect, there would be no way. But the mental aspect is even harder.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 6:37 pm to Tigerbait1998
Nope. The folks who make it to and win on tour learned to win by beating the shite out of other kids since they were 12. Money can't replicate that.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:45 pm to Tigerbait1998
I don’t think I would make it in tour, but I would like to see the possibilities. I would definitely be a plus handicap.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:57 pm to Tigerbait1998
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Let’s say you had an inexhaustible amount of time and money, and therefore unrestricted access to the best equipment, teachers, and facilities, do you think that you (in your athletic prime) could have earned a PGA tour card?
No, and I was someone that, while not necessarily unlimited, had the time and resources that were in the ballpark to make it happen. And I was pretty good.
But everyone hits their ceiling. 99.95% of the golfing world's ceiling is well below that of a Tour-level pro.
To put it in perspective, there are an estimated 50 - 100 million golfers in the world. Let's be a little fair and say that ~5 - 10% them are semi-serious players, so ~10 million. There are only like a handful of thousand players who are close to good enough to play for a living (so less than 0.05%).
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 7:19 am
Posted on 1/22/24 at 8:37 pm to Tigerbait1998
I mean there are like 1,000 really really really good professional players with unlimited time and money with access to great facilities and instruction. So my answer is NO!
Why is golf the only sport this argument comes up? I don’t hear people think they could play linebacker in the NFL
Why is golf the only sport this argument comes up? I don’t hear people think they could play linebacker in the NFL
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 1/22/24 at 8:46 pm to BigApple
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Why is golf the only sport this argument comes up?
Posted on 1/22/24 at 8:54 pm to Tigerbait1998
No, and anyone thinks otherwise is just plain wrong. Look at the pros’ kids/family members in the PNC championship. Most of them
probably had unlimited resources growing up and several are very good amateur golfers. None of those kids are going to be regular tour pros. Like someone else said, there’s a huge difference between even very talented amateur golfers and PGA tour golfers.
probably had unlimited resources growing up and several are very good amateur golfers. None of those kids are going to be regular tour pros. Like someone else said, there’s a huge difference between even very talented amateur golfers and PGA tour golfers.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:55 pm to Tigerbait1998
Yes. But I’d have needed to get some professional instruction to go with it.
I was more interested in playing than practicing. I could shoot 65 one day and 80 the next. No real consistency, but when I was on I could play with anyone.
I was more interested in playing than practicing. I could shoot 65 one day and 80 the next. No real consistency, but when I was on I could play with anyone.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 12:41 am to llfshoals
Not sure why the downvotes, a genuine question on A GOLF MESSAGE BOARD.
I could not, mental game wouldn’t allow it.
I could not, mental game wouldn’t allow it.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 12:50 am to Tigerbait1998
I have a friend who made a serious run at it, but ended up quitting and is a realtor now.
Best golfer I’ve ever met. Think he’s a +3 right now and that’s with only playing once or twice a week.
If he couldn’t do it, I know I couldn’t.
Best golfer I’ve ever met. Think he’s a +3 right now and that’s with only playing once or twice a week.
If he couldn’t do it, I know I couldn’t.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 4:34 am to Tigerbait1998
Odds are still against me.
I played with a man who won 2 National championships in college.
He got 10 Korn Ferry starts. Made one cut.
He had talent and tried real hard, but the reality of professional golf is that for a Monday qualifier, 100 play for 3 or 4 to get in the field. Shoot 4 or 5 under, finish T7, go home.
This man had unlimited time, equipment, etc.
I played with a man who won 2 National championships in college.
He got 10 Korn Ferry starts. Made one cut.
He had talent and tried real hard, but the reality of professional golf is that for a Monday qualifier, 100 play for 3 or 4 to get in the field. Shoot 4 or 5 under, finish T7, go home.
This man had unlimited time, equipment, etc.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:14 am to makersmark1
Tom Coyne tried this and wrote a book about it - Paper Tiger. He explains it best with his pyramid of golf greatness. This is a truncated version of it.
The bottom rung contains The Best Player You Know. "And here's the news about the Best Players You Know: They're shite. Scratch is shite. The Best Players You Know simply cannot play."
Club Pros are next on the pyramid. These are the guys we take lessons from. They may have once dreamed of making a living on tour, but they are now chained to the clubhouse. I
Then there are the Stud Amateurs: the golfers who compete in the USGA's amateur events.
Next are the Attached Club Pros. They are hired by country clubs just so the members can watch them on the driving range and follow them at tournaments. They actually win the USGA's amateur tournaments.
Mini-Tour Philanthropists are above the Attached Club Pros on the pyramid. These are the kids who played college golf but are not ready to join the real work world. They play in the Hooters Tour, the Gateway Tour, the Pepsi Tour, and others. But they rarely win. Their parents and friends are helping them pay their way. They are simply donating their entry fee each weekend, hoping to find their swing.
The Mini-Tour Grinders take the money from the Mini-Tour Philanthropists. They actually make money playing golf. As Coyne says, this is "where the pyramid moves out of the red and into the black." These players travel the world searching for a payday.
Then come the Nationwide Earners (now the Web.com Tour Earners), professionals with a steady, set schedule.
PGA Tour Survivors are next. They are the guys that earn their tour card the hard way.
PGA Tour Players are the ones who keep their playing card. They make better livings than most Americans, but how many names do you know on the PGA Tour's money list between 50 and 125? Not many.
PGA Tour Superstars are at the top. You don't just know their names, you know their first names: Tiger, Phil, Rory, Bubba, Hunter, Zach. Once you reach single-name recognition, you know you have arrived.
The bottom rung contains The Best Player You Know. "And here's the news about the Best Players You Know: They're shite. Scratch is shite. The Best Players You Know simply cannot play."
Club Pros are next on the pyramid. These are the guys we take lessons from. They may have once dreamed of making a living on tour, but they are now chained to the clubhouse. I
Then there are the Stud Amateurs: the golfers who compete in the USGA's amateur events.
Next are the Attached Club Pros. They are hired by country clubs just so the members can watch them on the driving range and follow them at tournaments. They actually win the USGA's amateur tournaments.
Mini-Tour Philanthropists are above the Attached Club Pros on the pyramid. These are the kids who played college golf but are not ready to join the real work world. They play in the Hooters Tour, the Gateway Tour, the Pepsi Tour, and others. But they rarely win. Their parents and friends are helping them pay their way. They are simply donating their entry fee each weekend, hoping to find their swing.
The Mini-Tour Grinders take the money from the Mini-Tour Philanthropists. They actually make money playing golf. As Coyne says, this is "where the pyramid moves out of the red and into the black." These players travel the world searching for a payday.
Then come the Nationwide Earners (now the Web.com Tour Earners), professionals with a steady, set schedule.
PGA Tour Survivors are next. They are the guys that earn their tour card the hard way.
PGA Tour Players are the ones who keep their playing card. They make better livings than most Americans, but how many names do you know on the PGA Tour's money list between 50 and 125? Not many.
PGA Tour Superstars are at the top. You don't just know their names, you know their first names: Tiger, Phil, Rory, Bubba, Hunter, Zach. Once you reach single-name recognition, you know you have arrived.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:33 am to Tigerbait1998
My neighbor played on the PGA Tour and even made over $1 million one year. Now he can't even advance past the first stage of Q school.
Golf is hard.
Golf is hard.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:41 am to Tigerbait1998
quote:Did I start in my prime or did I start at 8?
do you think that you (in your athletic prime) could have earned a PGA tour card?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:56 am to Tigerbait1998
Given unlimited time and resources I’m pretty sure I could move up two flights in the Men’s Club Championship at my club.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:09 am to Tigerbait1998
Not even close. I could probably get to a point to win some AM events and have a good handicap, but not PGA worthy
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:15 am to Tigerbait1998
quote:Jealousy I guess. I get a lot when the subject of aces comes up.
Not sure why the downvotes, a genuine question on A GOLF MESSAGE BOARD.
I used to be pretty good, and one of the guys I played against when he was growing up was Stewart Cink
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:17 am to Tigerbait1998
No.
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