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Rules question
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:58 pm
a friend of mine described a scenario in which he took relief from a sprinkler head during his club championship. He took relief from the sprinkler head and played the shot, but his left foot was touching the cart path. He said his playing partner called a penalty on him for not taking full relief, since his foot was on the path.
Is this correct?
Is this correct?
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:26 pm to nobigdeal69
It sounds like something stupid that would be a rule. His playing partner sound like a dick though.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:48 pm to nobigdeal69
Should be a two shot penalty I think. Must take complete relief.
This rule has cost Payne Stewart and Rory each a win.
This rule has cost Payne Stewart and Rory each a win.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:53 pm to CoachChappy
No kidding. How can you watch someone do something, not say anything then call a penalty on them?
The way I see it, he took full relief from the first immovable obstruction (he didn't hit the sprinkler with his club or stance). I wasn't sure if he HAD to take relief from the second immovable obstruction .
The way I see it, he took full relief from the first immovable obstruction (he didn't hit the sprinkler with his club or stance). I wasn't sure if he HAD to take relief from the second immovable obstruction .
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:55 pm to nobigdeal69
quote:p
What is meant by the phrase, "taking complete relief" from an obstruction? A. When a player is taking relief from an immovable obstruction, he must determine the point where there is no interference from the lie of ball, stance, and area of intended swing. For example, if the ball lies on a cart path, the ball must be dropped at a point where the cart path does not interfere with the lie of the ball, his stance, and also the area of intended swing. If the ball comes to rest in such a position, it must be re-dropped (Rule 20-2c(v)).
USGA
Based on my interpretation, it shouldn't have been a penalty, because he was not taking relief from the cart path but the sprinkler head.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:56 pm to nobigdeal69
quote:i was thinking of that also. He wasn't taking relief from cart path initially. But I think the rules say must take complete relief.
e way I see it, he took full relief from the first immovable obstruction (he didn't hit the sprinkler with his club or stance). I wasn't sure if he HAD to take relief from the second immovable obstruction .
Yeah. Guy he was playing with should have spoke up before he hit the shot.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:57 pm to CoachChappy
This is what I was about to say. He took full relief from the Sprinkler. His goal was not to take relief from the cart path. But golf rules are stupid
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:57 pm to nobigdeal69
He may request relief from an obstruction. He doesn't have to take it if he doesn't want to.
He took relief from the sprinkler. The path is a completely separate discussion.
So no, it's not a penalty unless he referenced the path in the discussion.
He took relief from the sprinkler. The path is a completely separate discussion.
So no, it's not a penalty unless he referenced the path in the discussion.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:09 pm to llfshoals
quote:
If you take relief, you must take full relief. That means if you are on a cart path and go through the steps to take a free drop, if after taking a legal drop your stance or swing is either still affected by the cart path or if there is now something else in your way (like a sprinkler head or a curb) you just repeat the procedure from where your ball now lies.
Golf rules pro.com
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:19 pm to Nodust
A blogger who isn't a rules official has no more validity than any other opinion.
His opinion does not conform to the way the rule is written, as noted in a previous post.
His opinion does not conform to the way the rule is written, as noted in a previous post.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:22 pm to nobigdeal69
That's not right. He was taking relief from the sprinkler head, not the cart path. Once he drops, of his foot is on the path, then he'd be entitled to relief from that as well, and would get another drop. But he doesn't have to take it. You can always play the ball as it lies unless you're OB.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:29 pm to dpd901
quote:Exactly. See also rule 20-2c(v)
That's not right. He was taking relief from the sprinkler head, not the cart path. Once he drops, of his foot is on the path, then he'd be entitled to relief from that as well, and would get another drop. But he doesn't have to take it. You can always play the ball as it lies unless you're OB.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:32 pm to llfshoals
I just wasn't sure if it was a penalty. Either way would make sense. The rule isn't super clear (which of them are), and seems to be open to varying interpretations when dealing with 2 different immovable obstructions. I'm sure it's in the decision book somewhere. I've never come across this particular scenario.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:54 pm to nobigdeal69
quote:
a friend of mine described a scenario in which he took relief from a sprinkler head during his club championship.
My advice would be to join a new club. Any club with members that are trying to win using flawed interpretations of the rules, isn't a place I want to be associated with....I imagine the range is full of people that get tired on the back nine and resort to taking pictures of their legs on the range.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:26 pm to BagMan69
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Any club with members that are trying to win using flawed interpretations of the rules
They guy may have been correct. We still don't have a definitive answer on this. Having said that, it's a dick move regardless. You call penalties on yourself, not on other people.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:28 pm to llfshoals
I'm thinking your right now. As long as he had relief from sprinkler.
I'm surprised USGA decisions doesn't address this directly. I would think it's somewhat common. After all they have a rule about ball hit in clubhouse.
I'm surprised USGA decisions doesn't address this directly. I would think it's somewhat common. After all they have a rule about ball hit in clubhouse.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:31 pm to nobigdeal69
The only thing I found similar. Jordan Spieth took relief from casual water on a cart path and dropped on path. This was in PGA championship.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:31 pm to Nodust
You can send this in to the USGA and they will give you a ruling.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:33 pm to CoachChappy
It's an interesting situation.
Did they inquire to the golf pro after the round?
Did they inquire to the golf pro after the round?
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