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re: Rory's take
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:10 am to lsupride87
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:10 am to lsupride87
I didn’t say it was controversial. LIV leadership wasn’t involved because they had no reason to be. They don’t run the show. The PIF does. It still means they’re being merged into the PGA in some way. Rory even said the PGA is likely to grow the team aspect and expand reach. I wasn’t saying it was controversial.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:10 am to lsupride87
quote:while technically correct, it’s just semantics. The guy who cut this deal for the PIF is the same guy that created LIV (which has been described as his baby). It’s really attempting to make a distinction where there is no significant difference.
The PIF, a funding source, made these negations with the PGA and did not include LIV.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:11 am to lsupride87
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There are many entities that are funded by the same source of funds that are run separately. That isn’t a unique thing
While this is true, I cannot imagine that in the long run the PIF is going to want to keep funding competing tours when the far more expensive one with few revenue streams loses money while the cheaper one with more revenue streams makes money.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:13 am to bstaceyau19
LIV will be merged or dissolved into the PGA based on everything we’ve heard so far. So it’s definitely a merger in one sense. Rory doesn’t want to think of it that way at all and I understand that. He wants to keep hating those guys while being cool with taking the same money they take for the same reasons.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:14 am to bstaceyau19
Rory is such a repulsive whiny little bitch...
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:15 am to bstaceyau19
PIF continuing with LIV as it exists would make absolutely zero senses. Keep a few tournaments like Australia and such? Great idea
Keeping the LIv tour as it is now competing against the far better more popular product you just invested in? Why? Make one reasonable argument why
Keeping the LIv tour as it is now competing against the far better more popular product you just invested in? Why? Make one reasonable argument why
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:16 am to ell_13
So Rory will continue playing the majority, if not all, of his tournaments in the pga style format with the traditional pga course. So, isn’t that not him playing LIv or joining liv?
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:18 am to lsupride87
Did you listen to the interview? He mentioned there would likely be more “entertainment” style golf meant for TV while the competitive side remains as is. It sounded like he’s going to do both.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:18 am to lsupride87
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I don’t think it’s rationalizing, it’s just the truth
It’s a distinction without a difference. The parent company is the parent company. The fact the wholly owned subsidiary didn’t have a representative at the table is irrelevant. The parent company owns and represents the subsidiary.
Focusing on the subsidiary is meaningless and just serves to obfuscate the big picture. Rory is trying to justify his past comments and reconcile that with his current situation. I get why he is doing it, but we don’t have to pretend like he is correct.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:20 am to lsupride87
quote:Is anyone suggesting that is a possibility? Clearly it will all look very different. Whether the LIV branded team tournaments will continue or whether they will be folded into the PGA or DP or morphed some other way, it will look much different post merger.
PIF continuing with LIV as it exists would make absolutely zero senses.
quote:I don’t think they will compete with each other as much as try to coordinate and compliment each other. LIV or whatever it is ultimately called could take the place of smaller tournaments weekends or WGC events.
Keeping the LIv tour as it is now competing against the far better more popular product you just invested in?
There may be a competing tour event, just like with majors, but I’m sure scheduling will be coordinated effort with the leagues and tv partners.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:24 am to theone
I could see LIV as a much better version of itself with 6 total tournaments (a couple in US, a couple in Europe, one in Australia, one in Asia and one in the ME) and team captains selecting the best players from all over the world. I would prefer a fresh start and a draft, but that is likely not possible with all of the contractual commitments already made.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 11:26 am
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:27 am to BBONDS25
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It’s a distinction without a difference. The parent company is the parent company. The fact the wholly owned subsidiary didn’t have a representative at the table is irrelevant. The parent company owns and represents the subsidiary.
Without telling the subsidiary? "Hey, Mr. Subsidiary. I'm your parent company and I'm going to invest millions of dollars in your competitor, you know the one who suspended all your employees. And, remember that lawsuit we had going to rectify that? We are dropping that. Those suspensions we sued over; those stay in place. And, this new board of directors, yeah none of your guys are on it."
It's like the Pepsi stockholders investing in Coke, and then telling Coke to keep up those anti-Pepsi advertisements. No matter which way you slice it, the PIF totally threw LIV Golf under the bus. I cannot imagine Greg Norman is a very happy guy today.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:30 am to WDE24
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Is anyone suggesting that is a possibility? Clearly it will all look very different. Whether the LIV branded team tournaments will continue or whether they will be folded into the PGA or DP or morphed some other way, it will look much different post merger.
I actually think some people here are trying to make that argument. But you are correct; LIV will be morphed into the 2 older tours on some way, shape, or form.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:32 am to bstaceyau19
quote:You know you got almost all of these facts wrong, right? This analogy has all kinds of issues.
Hey, Mr. Subsidiary. I'm your parent company and I'm going to invest millions of dollars in your competitor, you know the one who suspended all your employees. And, remember that lawsuit we had going to rectify that? We are dropping that. Those suspensions we sued over; those stay in place. And, this new board of directors, yeah none of your guys are on it."
quote:This doesn’t make sense. The PIF created LIV golf. LIV is its toy/tool to use to accomplish its larger objective. It wasn’t thrown under the bus, it was created and used for it’s created purpose.
No matter which way you slice it, the PIF totally threw LIV Golf under the bus. I cannot imagine Greg Norman is a very happy guy today.
Some of you are so caught up the the LIV Golf v PGA tour tournament format debate, that you can’t rectify what the business decisions are.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:40 am to WDE24
I think it’s hilarious listening to Rory honestly believe that the LIV guys are not going to be playing going forward.
Also, now, Saudi money is totally ok as long as the PGA Tour “uses it correctly.”
Also, now, Saudi money is totally ok as long as the PGA Tour “uses it correctly.”
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 11:41 am
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:46 am to bstaceyau19
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8. Thinks there still need to be some consequences for guys who left the PGA Tour. Said that Jay made that point in the meeting.
So what are Jay's consequences?
Rory still sticking up for Jay is pretty surprising and disappointing. He seems to be one of the only players that knew this was coming and already had his words lined up. That can't sit well with a lot of guys.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:47 am to CoachChappy
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I think it’s hilarious listening to Rory honestly believe that the LIV guys are not going to be playing going forward.
This has not changed the situation. The LIV Golfers remain suspended from both tours. How to bring those guys back into the fold in a way that is kosher with the current PGA and DP players is going to be the biggest story in the next 12 months.
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Saudi money is totally ok as long as the PGA Tour “uses it correctly.”
I do not think he is ok with it. I think he is resigned to the fact that it is there and not going away.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:48 am to bstaceyau19
quote:This is another false equivalence. The purpose of LIV was simply to compete with the tour just enough to stay relevant to force the tour to come to the table. It served its purpose. There was no reason to bring them to the table just like the PGA kept the players advisory board in the dark.
Without telling the subsidiary? "Hey, Mr. Subsidiary. I'm your parent company and I'm going to invest millions of dollars in your competitor, you know the one who suspended all your employees. And, remember that lawsuit we had going to rectify that? We are dropping that. Those suspensions we sued over; those stay in place. And, this new board of directors, yeah none of your guys are on it." It's like the Pepsi stockholders investing in Coke, and then telling Coke to keep up those anti-Pepsi advertisements. No matter which way you slice it, the PIF totally threw LIV Golf under the bus. I cannot imagine Greg Norman is a very happy guy today.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:49 am to CoachChappy
quote:He didn’t say that
think it’s hilarious listening to Rory honestly believe that the LIV guys are not going to be playing going forward.
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