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Posted on 3/6/24 at 3:14 pm
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 3:14 pm



Just anyone curious nothing below is one but about the story aside from a pretty obviously coming boss jn chapter 11 it’s all best bosses and a secret boss who you can get as summon and requires a many many many amount of bosses in a boss rush just to fight him


So I just finished almost all the open world stuff. After you do chapter 11 where the best fight so far is fighting Vincent in his level 1 limit from OG with a split party so you only have Barret Aerith and Saith.

The Odin fight is extremely fun and interesting too. To beat him without powering him down took about 12 tries. Basically if he deals too much damage, you don’t deal enough big hits, or apply debuffs in enough time he just zans you full wipe. It’s unfortunate his summoned firm doesn’t instant kill anything but I get why

Just got the last protelatcs except the final 2 in with the cactuses near cosmo which you can’t get until after chapter 12. You fight an “unarmed swordsman” who is really Gilgamesh. When you get the final one you have to do a kind of super boss rush fighting all summons you have individually back to back then battling full genii power Gilgamesh winning gets him as a secret summon
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Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:51 pm to
No spoilers, but I don't think I've ever had as much of a visceral hatred of any video game character as much as I absolutely HATE Hojo.

He was a disgusting monster in Remake and is somehow worse in Rebirth.

When it's revealed in the final game of the trilogy (Rebirth is basically "Empire" of the Remake trilogy) what he did to his own son...
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 10:53 pm
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:04 pm to
Took a break so I’m about to come to the climax for chapter 12 which as I understand is one BIG dungeon in 13 and then a final chapter more or less on rails. If it’s what he did in the OG then yes he’s a monster but the voice actor does such a good job he sells it crazy well with inflection
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 11:05 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:10 pm to
In the OG, he didn't set fiends loose on Costa Del Sol either like he does in Rebirth.

I am thoroughly impressed with the deep backstory and motives they used when writing what was essentially an optional character in the OG (Yuffie). She's no longer some thief who you randomly catch near Chocobo Bill's ranch.

Suzie Yeung does an incredible job portraying her as both endearing and an annoying teenage girl.

Let's just say that Cody Christian really has his work cut out for him in part 3.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 11:13 pm
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:33 pm to
Yeah that really surprised me fighting with the beach umbrella was comedy gold. The game is chock full of little moments like this. Imo it’s far better than remake and tells the best parts of FF7s story well. Keep in mind I still haven’t seen the temple of ancient or what follows so I haven’t seen what assumes to be the final twist. The side quest are worlds better with new and returning side characters. They go so much deeper into inner party dynamics. I don’t like the design of the weapons though. Why whales?

Idk if they expound further on the war wutai declared in the final two chapters but it’s such an amazing setup for part 3
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 11:34 pm
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:52 am to
Holy shut just saw the big most hidden moment and twist. This will be game of the year without a sweat as the competition is light anyway. I liked remake but this game is so much better.. SQE finally made a good open world
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:18 am to
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I don’t like the design of the weapons though. Why whales?


They closely resemble Sin from FFX (Leviathan, not whale)
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/8/24 at 12:20 am to
Just beat it final boss was so much more epic and way better than remake. Getting play with Zach with a full moveset was amazing.

The game was far far more challenging than remake speaking for dynamic at least which just level scales everything so you can’t over level

Hardest fights in the game are maxed out odin teamed with maxed out Alexander and Gilgamesh for his summon but that is a super boss. I am aware you can face a lot of thing in VR like Zach and Sephiroth and all kinds of crazy shut but it’s locked to hard and haven’t begun that yet
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 2:13 am
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:13 am to
Anyone else think that part 3 will find a way to include Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus?
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 11:15 am
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:28 am to
The director of the whole project can’t remember his name of the top of my head not nomura or rebjrths director but the guy who co directed remake and OG said they intend to link up with advent children and the black and white Lifestream from on the way to a smile novella which was obvious in the game with the two whisper colors. I have a feeling in part 3 Aerith and zack will be playable in the white Lifestream while the remaining party fights in the normal set of events more or less. Assuming you haven’t read the novella Seph has essentially corrupted part of the life stream or some of the souls in it this is what leads to geostigma in advent and Aerith rallies people like Zach jessy Biggs wedge and others to sort of wave a war inside the life stream against them. Getting to this point was the entire point of including the whispers in remake it turns out as it gives them an easy color distinct way to make this plot point

Dirge maybe they introduced deep ground in yuffies dlc and imagine we will see them again but unlikely some plot to have Vincent harvest souls for omega to move to a new world. Seems they’re putting much of the 3rd games focus on the new war with wutai plot which I love. Going to be a highlight going there

Saying all of the above I wager the end of the game part 3 js going to be massively different something more akin to the final battle of advent children with wutai and shinra having come together eventually after they realize Seph is manipulating them and all confront this seemingly ultimate form of him

Also did you get a chuckle at the fake out like cloud stopped aeriths death to give some people hope however fleeting?
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 2:12 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 3/8/24 at 5:10 pm to
quote:

Saying all of the above I wager the end of the game part 3 js going to be massively different something more akin to the final battle of advent children with wutai and shinra having come together eventually after they realize Seph is manipulating them and all confront this seemingly ultimate form of him


Doesn't Rufus resign at some point after being injured by the Weapon's attack, making Reeve president who then hires Barrett to find a new source of energy which is why he calls Cloud about the oil deposits in AC?
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 5:11 pm
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/8/24 at 6:02 pm to
Yes your summation is correct but much of advent children is just garbage some is good stuff though. I think the main points they want to hit and include are the war inside the Lifestream (white vs black) Sephy causing geostigma and shinra/Turks full on ally themselves with our team and in this remake trilogy imagine wutai is brought into this to have some massive ultimate final battle. Likely I would probably say 75% chance a confirmed relationship with cloud and Tifa
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 6:02 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 3/8/24 at 6:56 pm to
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Likely I would probably say 75% chance a confirmed relationship with cloud and Tifa


With an adult Marlene leading the new group that has Denzel, Aerith (Cloud and Tifa's daughter), Sonon (Yuffie and Vincent's son), and Nanaki's cubs?

Yes I know the latter part is stupid fan fiction.

Also there is speculation that Sonon becomes Azul from Dirge.
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 7:11 pm
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/8/24 at 7:25 pm to
Rofl that would be sweet but I don’t think we will get a happy ending at least anything past neutral. It’s simply not the tone or vibe they’ve set through remake and ESPECIALLY rebirth.

Btw random thought but whoever the people that designed the level and programmed the entire temple of ancients level deserves a 300% raise

As far as Sonon he will be back in some way. I think yuffies trial essentially confirms it. Either we have to go to to the darkness realms the underground straight jack guy controls and kill or maybeeeee somehow rescue him
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 7:27 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 3/9/24 at 2:29 pm to
What's left for 3 story-wise? I'm tracking

-Cloud giving Sephiroth the Black Materia
-Highwind breaking Barrett, Red, and Tifa out of Junon (Tifa bitch-slapping Scarlett)
-Tifa fixing Cloud's mind
-Vincent freeing Lucretia's soul
-Magnus Materia/Materia bomb
-Mako Cannon
-Hojo fight/evacuating Midgar
-Northern Crater/Final Battle
-Geostigma?
-Dirge of Cerberus?
This post was edited on 3/9/24 at 2:30 pm
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/9/24 at 2:41 pm to
I think of the folllowing these are 100% a lock

-Cloud gives over the black materia
-Not sure we will get the breakout scene as the war with wutai is likely more prescient and Rufus has been characterized differently as reckoning Avalanches value. Don’t see him killing them for show that won’t help. The bitch slap scene is so iconic it’ll be worked in somehow
- Tifa and Cloud 100% fall into Lifestream in mideal id be shocked if it isn’t 1 for 1
- Vincent having a very much expanded on back story (much of his lore is fascinating and he’s technically the most powerful person in ff7 cannon can’t see them leaving that our) combined with how much more explored each party member has been freeing Lucretia will be tied into that lore exploration
- If you mean the huge materia I think it’s cut. Too much resources for space and all the scenario for something really insignificant. If you mean shinra trying to kill meteor with ff7s version of a nuke I think it’s worked in.
- I think the weapons are presented different. Less like they’ll be a threat to humanity living and helping in the Lifestream war between white and black. They may fire the cannon at something but doubt it’s a weapon
- The Midgar parachute will be the same plot points but massively expanded I expect. Many iconic boss fights with huge enemies happen there including hidegar and hojo giving Vincent redemption and for anyone who missed it confirmed hojo is Sephs dad
- Geostigma will be heavily tied into the plot imo as a byproduct of the white vs black ear in the Lifestream
- Dirge is too out there for this remake telling the same mostly story it invokes chaos (Vincent) meant to take all of humanity’s souls and deliver it to omega to transport to another plant and restart the Lifestream. Just won’t happen in this remake. I could see some of the iconic villains playing role like Weiss and Nero who already appeared in intermission Yuffie
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 3/9/24 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

If you mean the huge materia I think it’s cut.


Rufus convened the board to get the status of the "Magnus Materia" project. It's also what Scarlet was working on in part 1.
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/9/24 at 4:19 pm to
Yes but unlike the original the scene you’re mentioning he clearly states they are going to take the giant materia orb from a weapon for it and scarlet complains saying they’re close to manufacturing it.

I have no real idea what they aim to do with it but I highly doubt it’s launch it at meteor
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/9/24 at 6:25 pm to
It’s hilarious MANY PEOPLE downvote everything I say in this thread but don’t post or offer any options on what’s arguably the best FF ever made. Almost like they haven’t played it or finished it yet me posting a few locations from a game in 1997 triggered them: they’re definitely not hypocrites and terrible video game players who can’t figure out how the basic mechanics of rebirth work though and when I try to hell them I am met with Scorn. That’s cool. Completely blow at the game you don’t understand, complain about it like it’s a design issue, then call constructive help spoilers somehow. Pro gamer more from the casual audience of TD gaming
This post was edited on 3/9/24 at 6:26 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 11:57 am to
If I was ever at a con with the voice cast I would ask if they ever saw Machinabridged (TeamFourStar) and if they could say their favorite line.
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