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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

Posted on 3/21/24 at 5:38 pm to
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 5:38 pm to
Horizon FW is apparently a great PC port, runs very well per reviews. Guess I will dive in soon.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:09 pm to
I’ve installed it and poked around the tutorial area a bit. For anyone curious, in that area, with maxed out setting at 3440x1440, I’m getting a solid 60fps with DLAA and no upscaling and 85fps with DLSS Quality. No noticeable graphical issues yet, but again, I’ve poked around for like five minutes. But I have high hopes.

3080 and 5800x.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 9:57 pm to
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I’ve installed it and poked around the tutorial area a bit. For anyone curious, in that area, with maxed out setting at 3440x1440, I’m getting a solid 60fps with DLAA and no upscaling and 85fps with DLSS Quality. No noticeable graphical issues yet, but again, I’ve poked around for like five minutes. But I have high hopes.

3080 and 5800x.


I have 3 hours in, lol. I'm at 1440, max settings everything default. 95-100 fps in the busiest part of Chainscrape. Shoots north of 105 out in the open. I may need to mess with some settings.

It plays perfect. I haven't had a single hiccup yet.

ETA: 7800x3d, 4080 Super

ETA2: Should I be running DLSS? I don't expect it to make the game look much better. It looks pretty awesome right now.
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 7:47 am
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:10 am to
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ETA2: Should I be running DLSS? I don't expect it to make the game look much better. It looks pretty awesome right now.

Before we get into too much detail regarding things like upscaling, I would want you to take a look at something first: when I first fired up the game, it had "performance scaling" type options turned on by default. You need to make sure all of those are turned off before we start poking at settings. If you're not sure what you're looking at, feel free to post screenshots.

ETA: I just fired up the game, and it's in the "display" tab called "dynamic resolution scaling". It's just above the AA and upscaling options near the bottom of the page.

ETA2: If it's already off, great. If it's turned on, post what number it's set at, turn it to off, and then go run around your "high impact" areas and let us know what your frame rate looks like.
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 8:20 am
Posted by SaintEB
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Posted on 3/22/24 at 9:54 am to
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ETA: I just fired up the game, and it's in the "display" tab called "dynamic resolution scaling". It's just above the AA and upscaling options near the bottom of the page.

ETA2: If it's already off, great. If it's turned on, post what number it's set at, turn it to off, and then go run around your "high impact" areas and let us know what your frame rate looks like.



I will check this when I get home. I feel like its on because the only thing I changed was "high" settings to "very high" settings.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 3/22/24 at 11:07 am to
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I will check this when I get home. I feel like its on because the only thing I changed was "high" settings to "very high" settings.

It likely is. What actually reminded me to ask about it was how tight your framerate range was from "easy" areas to "difficult" areas. You normally see more of a spread than that. Which then prompted me to remember that setting, and your having dynamic resolution scaling set to a target FPS of around 100fps would explain the results you're seeing.

And in case you're not familiar with the setting, it's how all modern console games work, and it's a setting you'll commonly see on console ports. Basically, you pick a target FPS. The game will then dynamically lower your resolution and settings to meet that target, as needed. If you can hit it at your max settings, great. If not, it quietly lowers them to keep performance the same.

That's actually why you'll see console players crowing about getting 4k 60fps on consoles that don't have near the hardware to actually drive that kind of performance.

ETA: If you're up for it, we should probably continue this on the HFW thread further down on the first page. That way people who find it later can follow along if needed.
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 11:12 am
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/22/24 at 12:56 pm to
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ETA: If you're up for it, we should probably continue this on the HFW thread further down on the first page. That way people who find it later can follow along if needed.



Yeah. Good Idea.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 3:58 pm to
DLSS is great at 1440p and 4k. Results may vary at 1080p, even on Quality.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 7:08 pm to
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DLSS is great at 1440p and 4k. Results may vary at 1080p, even on Quality.

I would say DLSS is really good at 1440, but not great. Great at 4k.

1440p Quality renders at 720p. For a long time, I’ve been hoping Nvidia would add a DLSS Ultra Quality mode that rendered at 1080p for 1440p. You obviously wouldn’t see as much of a performance bump, but you would get a bump over native and as good or better visuals.
Posted by LSUGent
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 7:48 pm to
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I would say DLSS is really good at 1440, but not great. Great at 4k.


My panel resolution is 3840x1600 and that’s a really nice sweet spot for DLSS… quality mode looks great and can push higher frames than full 4k
Posted by Carson123987
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:51 am to
Have any of yall had luck selling a used tower before? What should I ask for this? All it needs is a GPU

quote:

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Asus ROG Strix LC 240 80.95 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Case: MSI MPG GUNGNIR 100 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G3 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26985 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:37 am to
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Have any of yall had luck selling a used tower before? What should I ask for this? All it needs is a GPU

It needing a GPU is going to cause you problems. Even though we know that plugging in a GPU is the easiest damned thing, someone looking to "buy a computer" isn't going to want to do that. And anyone who is willing to do it would probably rather just pick their parts individually.

I would suggest either listing the parts as a group, but giving individual pricing as well, or buying a reasonable GPU on sale, plugging it in, and then listing the whole PC (though be prepared to get messages asking for components pricing, regardless).

As for pricing, I would plug it all into PCPP and assuming you don't have any components list really weird because it's not common anymore, knock 25% off because it's used, then see what kind of bites you get. If you do have wonky component price listing, compensate for that as well.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22638 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 11:13 am to
I would have taken that power supply off your hands.


Facebook marketplace has all sorts of PC crap on it. From full customized builds to parts that make no sense to buy. Almost never are the prices reasonable.

I agree with Josh. Check what your parts are priced at today and knock it down. Keep in mind that there may be newer stuff that is cheaper than your part just due to supply. I also agree that having a GPU will help it sell. Also, you'll want to wipe that SSD if you haven't, but you may also want to get a cheap windows code and reinstall.

I would probably list as is and see what, reasonable, bites I get. Make it clear that if it doesn't have windows installed and only CPU graphics.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
1832 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:23 pm to
The FB Marketplace special here is a giant case loaded with RGB and a 12900K (or 13900K or 5950X) and 3090 on the cheapest mobo possible with the cheapest PSU possible.
Apparently sellers think the more RGB you have the higher you can go for price.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 3:27 pm
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:24 pm to
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I would say DLSS is really good at 1440, but not great. Great at 4k.

I didn't have to mess with sharpness when I use DLSSQ in Cyberpunk at 1440p but I kinda have to crank it up at 1080p.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 3/29/24 at 5:52 pm to
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22638 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:01 pm to
This dude says that Nvidia 50 series cards are rumored at a 2nd half of 2024 launch. I have timestamped the video. No idea how credible his sources are.

Youtube
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26985 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:10 am to
They were almost certainly originally slated for a Q4 2024 launch. Rumors have swirled that Nvidia has pushed it back to Q1 2025 because AMD has functionally abdicated the high end this generation and are rumored to also avoid the high end next generation, and Nvidia feels no need to compete against itself in performance (price is a different animal, obviously).

Basically, everyone is holding out hope that the 50 series gets released this year, but we aren’t banking on it. Similarly, we are hoping that AMD’s abdication of the high end tiers is overblown. Because if not, I expect Nvidia to lean heavily into production of professional cards for AI and to price their gaming cards at “frick you, peasant” levels.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26985 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:22 am to
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UltimateHog

Very big deal if true, especially for the x3D chips, being they are weakest in gaming in low cache, high clock sensitivity environments.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
1832 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 2:59 pm to
AMD has obviously has no answer for the 4090 but the 7900 XT and XTX both beat the 4070 Ti and 4080 in rasterization.
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