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Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:59 pm to
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:59 pm to
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it just kinda sucked that the heatsink wouldn't come off. Any tips?


Warm it up with a hair dryer and gently twist.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22734 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:41 am to
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Warm it up with a hair dryer and gently twist.




Thanks. I may just leave it alone as its working fine and I don't "need" to move it.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:48 am to
I would further emphasize the words “warm” and “gentle”. If you use something like a blow dryer, keep it far away. But there’s actually a safer way: run a few loops of an SSD benchmark to get the chips nice and hot, and like UH said, gently twist. The damage comes from pulling straight up and detaching the chips, same as with a CPU cooler. Just apply light, then slowly increasing, steady lateral pressure. If you’ve warmed up the chips enough, you should start feeling it slide. Once that “seal” is broken, it should come right off.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22734 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:09 am to
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I would further emphasize the words “warm” and “gentle”. If you use something like a blow dryer, keep it far away. But there’s actually a safer way: run a few loops of an SSD benchmark to get the chips nice and hot, and like UH said, gently twist. The damage comes from pulling straight up and detaching the chips, same as with a CPU cooler. Just apply light, then slowly increasing, steady lateral pressure. If you’ve warmed up the chips enough, you should start feeling it slide. Once that “seal” is broken, it should come right off.


Thanks. I'll definitely keep this in mind.

Any tips for setting up my CPU or things to look for in the AMD world? It was taking a long time to boot, but once updated bios, its pretty fast. It was sitting in bios for 61s (per task manager) but now its 12s. As for just navigating around (browsers, programs, loading a couple of games last night) Its definitely seems snappier than my 11900K. I'm gonna run some Cyberpunk tonight or tomorrow. I have a new PSU and a 3080 to give my kid's rig, and i'm building another rig with my spare board and CPU for my youngest. His case comes in today.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27070 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:50 am to
Not really. AMD chips in general, and the x3D chips in particular, are kind of set it and forget not. Not really much juice left worth the squeeze as far as UV, OC, etc. They may give you synthetic benchmark bumps, but are unlikely to give you much, if anything, in real world performance.

Just make sure you’ve downloaded and installed the individual chipset drivers from your motherboard website, including Ethernet, etc.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22734 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 10:14 am to
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Just make sure you’ve downloaded and installed the individual chipset drivers from your motherboard website, including Ethernet, etc.



Yep. I downloaded those prior and installed once the PC booted. That's why the restart was such a pain before I did bios update. Set and forget sounds great. That's my style, lol. Not much use, for me, for synthetic benchmark bumps. I just want a stable experience.

I also made sure to buy AMD Expo compatible RAM. If thats just a marketing ploy, then they got me. But my RAM went from 4800 to 6000 once enabled in bios. Am I really getting 6000?

ETA: I read that it doesn't make that big a difference in gaming (RAM speeds).
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 10:15 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27070 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 10:22 am to
Download ZenTimings. It will tell you every bit of anything your ram is doing.

And no, your ram speed won’t matter much, especially with an x3D chip, but it’s not going to hurt anything, either.
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 10:23 am
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
1852 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 5:43 pm to
I'm lucky to live near a Microcenter and got that 7800X3D bundle. Now that I have the current best gaming CPU I'm awfully tempted to get a 4090.
Posted by LSUGent
Member since Jun 2011
2023 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:47 pm to
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Now that I have the current best gaming CPU I'm awfully tempted to get a 4090.


You need a proper monitor to make use of a 4090 if you don’t already have one… if it makes you less likely to spend more money
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
1852 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:53 pm to
Well the cheapest one right now is still $200 above MSRP. And giving Nvidia $1800 right now is tough to swallow.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22734 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 8:33 pm to
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Download ZenTimings. It will tell you every bit of anything your ram is doing.

And no, your ram speed won’t matter much, especially with an x3D chip, but it’s not going to hurt anything, either.


I may do this. I know it won't make a huge difference, but my RAM goes back to 4800 on restart. It won't stay at 6000. I'm not that concerned about it, but I wonder if it has something to do with the 7800x3d being compatible up to 5200. Although, i saw some on reddit say they have been stable at 6000, so who knows.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
1852 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 10:24 pm to
What's your mobo?
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22734 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 11:26 pm to
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What's your mobo?



MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
65808 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 11:44 pm to
Are you on bios 7E12v18?
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22734 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:24 am to
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Are you on bios 7E12v18?



Yes. I updated to that on upon installation.
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
8575 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:08 am to
Might make sure it took it. Even bios updates in the bios can be funky. Even XMP memory should at least work at 6k.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22734 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:33 pm to
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Might make sure it took it. Even bios updates in the bios can be funky. Even XMP memory should at least work at 6k.



Will do. I though I did verify but I can't remember. I'll follow up.

ETA: Bios Version says 1.80.
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 1:44 pm
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66428 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 2:47 pm to
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SaintEB


I checked earlier, my RAM is staying at 6000 and hasn't reverted back down. Basically identical setup. Strange
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22734 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 7:55 am to
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I checked earlier, my RAM is staying at 6000 and hasn't reverted back down. Basically identical setup. Strange



Another strange thing, when I changed it back to 6000, it stayed in bios for 61s upon restart. Each time I checked in bios that the Expo profile was still active, it would take that long. Once it reverted back to 4800, it was a 12s bios. It is running fine at 4800 but this other stuff is weird. I just don't know if it could be a bigger issue (which i don't really think it is). I feel like i'm just missing a bios setting or something.


ETA: Is your PC booting normally at 6000? Like, normal time/speed?
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 9:23 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27070 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:25 am to
Sounds like either your RAM or CPU can’t handle your RAM settings, so it’s failing to boot and then retraining.
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