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re: Freakonomics podcast on expensive wines: you're all full of s$%&
Posted on 10/20/11 at 4:50 pm to Tiger JJ
Posted on 10/20/11 at 4:50 pm to Tiger JJ
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I dispute that any but a tiny minority of wine drinkers can notice such nuances.
First off, let me say that I agree with your sentiment, for the most part. I'm by no means a wine snob or elitist, but I couldn't disagree with the statement above more.
If you have even a remedial palate and nose-- like mine-- I can pour a glass of wine for you (let's say zinfandel in this example), have you smell and taste it, then aerate it vigorously and it will smell and taste different afterwards. I imagine the latter has a lot to do with wafting out the alcohol that collects in the glass, but that's just a hunch. In the case of zinfandel, aeration often brings out fruity, jammy aromas and flavors. It's not a sutble difference, or something I've invented in my mind, either. I'd challenge you to try it.
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 5:02 pm to Powerman
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I think you severely underestimate the power of suggestion You think the cheap stuff doesn't taste as good because your mind is telling you before you even take a sip that it must not taste as good. Same with the more expensive wines. And I think it's pretty ironic that in such a thread people are kicking toddlers out of the way to rush to the front of the line and say that they personally have a more refined palate and anyone who is skeptical is just not as refined.
God you are such a pompous little bastard.
I've had plenty of cheap wines that I have enjoyed. I was counteracting the point being made in this thread that anybody who claims to be able to tell the distinction between cheap and expensive wines are full of shite and are only out to satiate their cognitive dissonance about spending a lot of money on wine.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 5:08 pm to Salmon
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I bet you can't tell the difference between chilli with chilli powder and actual chilli peppers.
i guarantee he couldnt
Posted on 10/20/11 at 5:32 pm to Lester Earl
The one that I've learned from this thread:
Jersey Tiger sounds like a real jerk.
Jersey Tiger sounds like a real jerk.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 6:39 pm to Panny Crickets
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The one that I've learned from this thread:
Jersey Tiger sounds like a real jerk.
Right - the jerk who doesn't pretend he can do shite he can't do.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 6:44 pm to Winkface
Oh, so when you said this:
What you really meant was this:
Right?
quote:
I'm talking $7 vs $50.
You are talking $12 vs $18.
Apples and oranges.
What you really meant was this:
quote:
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Tell the difference between 12 and 18? You most certainly cannot.
Yes, I can.
Right?
Posted on 10/20/11 at 7:43 pm to Tiger JJ
JT, have you watched Around the World in 80 Trades on PBS? The host is currently trying to sell South African wines in China, which is apparently in love with French wines.
Some of the comments of the Chinese wine tasters were pretty funny...such as they did not like the taste of the wine because South Africa did not have the culture to make wines. Just thought it was funny in light of this thread.
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Some of the comments of the Chinese wine tasters were pretty funny...such as they did not like the taste of the wine because South Africa did not have the culture to make wines. Just thought it was funny in light of this thread.
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:05 pm to Lester Earl
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i guarantee he couldnt
Probably depends on the chili powder
If you're using some standard run of the mill chili powder it's going to be obvious because there isn't that much heat
Now if you're using something that packs a lot of heat, then yeah, I could see it being difficult to distinguish based on flavor profile alone
Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:17 pm to Tiger JJ
I'm not sure what you can taste in wine, beer or otherwise--I don't know you.
What is clear, however, is that you come off as a complete dickhole.
Honey/vinegar
What is clear, however, is that you come off as a complete dickhole.
Honey/vinegar
Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:22 pm to Panny Crickets
I thought we were having a gentleman's disagreement. JT has been a good sport as I thought we all were.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:28 pm to tetu
I missed the "gentleman's" part.
He can prove his point without lecturing to everyone that "they can't" on such a subjective topic.
We know how you feel, JT. Some disagree. Your viewpoint isn't gospel. Some people *GASP* can indeed tell the difference in the wines you've mentioned.
He can prove his point without lecturing to everyone that "they can't" on such a subjective topic.
We know how you feel, JT. Some disagree. Your viewpoint isn't gospel. Some people *GASP* can indeed tell the difference in the wines you've mentioned.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:34 pm to Panny Crickets
Yeah he can be condescending...but the whole point is that everyone thinks they can do it
So naturally people are going to defend their ability to do so
But when you have people who have A LOT more exposure to wine than any of us here and they can't do it, it should make you question your ability to truly discern
So naturally people are going to defend their ability to do so
But when you have people who have A LOT more exposure to wine than any of us here and they can't do it, it should make you question your ability to truly discern
Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:36 pm to Tiger JJ
Yes, I can.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:08 pm to Winkface
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:49 pm to Uncle Stu
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Posted by Uncle Stu
SFP will love this
His cheapass, bargain hunter schtick is annoying.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:55 pm to Powerman
Si se puede!
Posted on 10/20/11 at 11:05 pm to Winkface
No puedo
Posted on 10/20/11 at 11:07 pm to Powerman
Posted on 10/21/11 at 9:58 am to Panny Crickets
quote:
I missed the "gentleman's" part.
He can prove his point without lecturing to everyone that "they can't" on such a subjective topic.
We know how you feel, JT. Some disagree. Your viewpoint isn't gospel. Some people *GASP* can indeed tell the difference in the wines you've mentioned.
The viewpoint that is most commonly talked down to is the one that we are all pretty regular and not possessed of crazy tasting skills.
In any event, trust me, blind tastings are fun-filled, humorous events. Sorry if it came off wrong, but I find the topic endlessly fascinating. And in general, I am interested in self-deception.
Posted on 10/21/11 at 10:03 am to Tiger JJ
I think the problem is when you tell someone they can't do something that they claim they can do so bluntly they take that as you calling them a liar.
No one likes being called a liar understandably.
There might be a smoother way to try to convince them that you're right
No one likes being called a liar understandably.
There might be a smoother way to try to convince them that you're right
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