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re: Chain Lovers Alert, Red Lob, Olive Grdn Failing
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:34 am to notiger1997
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:34 am to notiger1997
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They are good and marketing and good and running a business. That does not mean that their food all that good. Our country is overrun with fast food and shitty restaurants
IMO, that is largely because they are business minds rather than food minds getting into the business solely for business reasons and the P&L dictates their principles alone. Those who really need to be opening restaurants, those with food principles and love for great food, don't have the kind of money or equity to go to a bank and get a loan, so if they do they have to find a backer who usually has no food principles themselves, OR, more than likely, they end up working an arse load of hours for 50-60k a year, get out of the business entirely, get married and have to settle down, or a few select few will get a real break and make it happen, usually in places where the value on food is at a premium. It's a cycle that usually ends up keeping poor food choices in areas without breaking that cycle.
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:36 am to notiger1997
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Eat there if you like it
Completely irrelevant to the discussion.
My point is just because it is in the Northwest and green and rainy and out of towners fawn over a place, does not make it a place where the general population of locals really care.
Do you really believe they don't sell a ton of bud light and Coors in Seattle?
Just a quick search and you see there are 150 McDonalds and 50+ Taco Bells within 50 miles of city center Seattle.
We have a ton of great local restaurants in Atlanta too. So what.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:38 am to notiger1997
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I just really hate the argument that somehow a place is good because they make alot of money. Bud/Miller/Coors sell the most beer, but it is still shite.
Hannah Montana/Justin Beiber sell the most music, but it still sucks.
Exactly. I cannot fathom how people continue to make the argument that popularity is a quantifier for success.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:39 am to Tigertown in ATL
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My point is just because it is in the Northwest and green and rainy and out of towners fawn over a place, does not make it a place where the general population of locals really care.
yeah, but this guy said he just saw it firsthand.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:42 am to Rohan2Reed
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yeah, but this guy said he just saw it firsthand.
I've been out there multiple times. It is a great place. Some great restaurants. Some great restaurants here in Atlanta.
Doesn't mean you can't find a Mickey D's, Burger King or Taco Bell on every corner.
I just rebel against the notion that it is some sort of anti chain mecca. It's not.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:43 am to Rohan2Reed
You're misconstruing my argument. I am not saying just because they have more patrons or net more gross profit that RL and OG are better than your XYZ local chain (food wise...business skills wise I think its clear who the winner is). I am saying that they must be GOOD ENOUGH for thousands of people to continue eating there. It's not "shite" like some of you insinuate it is.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 11:46 am
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:47 am to TulaneUVA
Well, I'm going to lunch. I will let you know where upon my return. 
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:50 am to Tigertown in ATL
Olive Garden is ok in a pinch
I mean it's noodles and sauce
But the people who eat Red Lobster frankly are not from this earth.....that's right, they are aliens, creatures from another planet that eat shite formed into seafood shapes and they think it be good
I mean it's noodles and sauce
But the people who eat Red Lobster frankly are not from this earth.....that's right, they are aliens, creatures from another planet that eat shite formed into seafood shapes and they think it be good
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:50 am to TulaneUVA
Anyone remember this ad by Pizza Hut?
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:52 am to Tigertown in ATL
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I just rebel against the notion that it is some sort of anti chain mecca. It's not.
Next your going to tell me they don't like to ride bikes, aren't a healthy community, aren't liberal etc.
I agree, maybe not a anti chain mecca, but they do like them some local places and have a great local brewing culture up there. You kind of have to be off yoru rocker to not realize that.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:54 am to TulaneUVA
Two ways to look at a problem...
ReRe1 and ReRe2 are having difficulty and are breaking sauces....
Business man says let's dumb it down so we don't have to micromanage and hover over the kitchen, buys prepackaged sauces from Sysco and calls it a victory.
Food man says let's teach the ReRe's how not to break sauces and if they don't, fire them and pay someone more who can pull it off.
Business man thinks his P&L looks great, but Food man has paid more for labor but his food cost goes down, and since food cost is always more than labor, he's actually the real winner and so is his food and the customers.
That's the difference in between the two mindsets. What might look good on paper isn't always the real savings and doesn't cause people to want to pack the place either.
ReRe1 and ReRe2 are having difficulty and are breaking sauces....
Business man says let's dumb it down so we don't have to micromanage and hover over the kitchen, buys prepackaged sauces from Sysco and calls it a victory.
Food man says let's teach the ReRe's how not to break sauces and if they don't, fire them and pay someone more who can pull it off.
Business man thinks his P&L looks great, but Food man has paid more for labor but his food cost goes down, and since food cost is always more than labor, he's actually the real winner and so is his food and the customers.
That's the difference in between the two mindsets. What might look good on paper isn't always the real savings and doesn't cause people to want to pack the place either.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:54 am to Tigertown in ATL
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I just rebel against the notion that it is some sort of anti chain mecca. It's not.
The only places that approach being "anti chain meccas" are places that figure out ways to actually legislate/zone against such things -- a practice I see as at least equally abhorrent as the most abhorrent slop slinging chain restaurants in existence.
Otherwise, the market will dictate a certain number of those places will exist no matter how "foodie-centric" the locale.
This also doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of locales that are more "foodie-centric" than others (I can usually spend less than a day in any particular town and get a good grasp of this), whether or not they are able to legislatively prohibit such chains or fast food joints from opening in their towns.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:57 am to TulaneUVA
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I still maintain that if you were served an above average dish from these restaurants at a local restaurant you would be saying "omg this is so much better!"
THIS X 1,000 ..
Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:59 am to TigahRag
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THIS X 1,000 ..
Can we have an example?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:03 pm to Mike da Tigah
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since food cost is always more than labor,
Is this true?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:05 pm to Mike da Tigah
i am not talking about seasoned guys like you and rohan .. i am more talking about the average, follow-the-leader poster in here that just says crap about chains because they see everyone else doing it .. you could take an olive garden tour of italy dish and serve it to them at gino's and they wouldn't know the difference ... they'd probably rave about it, because they were served the dish at gino's ..
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:10 pm to TulaneUVA
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since food cost is always more than labor,
Is this true?
food cost will make or break you in the restaurant biz .. my bosses in college used to fret about food cost all the time .. in fact, those were the only two words i ever heard them utter ..
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:13 pm to TigahRag
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food cost will make or break you in the restaurant biz .. my bosses in college used to fret about food cost all the time .. in fact, those were the only two words i ever heard them utter ..
Doesn't necessarily mean that it is usually more or significantly more than labor, just that it comes with a lot more in variables than labor.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:13 pm to TulaneUVA
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Is this true?
Nothing more true. That's why bread pudding is served everywhere you go, to dump waste and make up for loss. Same for many thing, but unskilled work force, lack of principle in owners, and ignorance and lack of alternatives in communities as well as Sysco reps pushing the high commission short cuts gets people to thinking the opposite. Food cost will destroy a restaurant faster than anything, including labor.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:14 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Two ways to look at a problem...
ReRe1 and ReRe2 are having difficulty and are breaking sauces....
Business man says let's dumb it down so we don't have to micromanage and hover over the kitchen, buys prepackaged sauces from Sysco and calls it a victory.
Food man says let's teach the ReRe's how not to break sauces and if they don't, fire them and pay someone more who can pull it off.
Business man thinks his P&L looks great, but Food man has paid more for labor but his food cost goes down, and since food cost is always more than labor, he's actually the real winner and so is his food and the customers.
That's the difference in between the two mindsets. What might look good on paper isn't always the real savings and doesn't cause people to want to pack the place either.
Yep. One of the most ubiquitous mistakes when running a restaurant. Food costs of canned and frozen products will always be higher than fresh food prepared correctly.
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