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So why don't they open Morganza already?!

Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:38 pm
Posted by cpeter9
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
25 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:38 pm
Just as the title says...
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:39 pm to
Posted by DEANintheYAY
LEFT COAST
Member since Jan 2008
31975 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:43 pm to
PROTOCOL...do you know what it is??
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51912 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:54 pm to
Because there is no reason to yet, and reasons not to....
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:55 pm to
quote:


PROTOCOL...do you know what it is??



I think he like most people want to know what that protocol is!

Do you know what THAT is??
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43170 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:56 pm to
Will be done fri or sat
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51912 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:57 pm to
1.5 million cubic feet of water per second past Morganza before opening it is even seriously considered.
Posted by cpeter9
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
25 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 8:00 pm to
But I mean, surely opening it now would reduce the water level sitting on the levees in BR (which I understand the length of time increases the likelihood of failure)? At the same time, everything in the spillway will be flooded at some point anyhow.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43170 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 8:03 pm to
Friend of mine works for corps, said if they don't open Saturday it will open itself basically via topping. Plan on this being done Saturday
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51912 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 8:05 pm to
It would reduce it by like a foot or two

But the BR levees are in zero danger right now. So, no reason to do it yet.

It hasnt even gotten to the 08 levels get I think...
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51912 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 8:07 pm to
And if the duration matters, remember that you increase it for the weaker levees further south by opening it earlier...
Posted by RhodeIslandRed
Adrift Off the Spanish Main
Member since Aug 2009
3175 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 8:08 pm to
Because Maj.Gen. Michael Walsh has balls the size of grapefruits. He makes Les Miles jealous. National Weather Service projections are fallible and he knows it. Walsh is not going to intentionally flood anyone until it is absolutely necessary and he will wait until the latest possible moment to do it.
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124548 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 8:51 pm to
quote:

Walsh is not going to intentionally flood anyone until it is absolutely necessary and he will wait until the latest possible moment to do it.


spot on
Posted by tigersnipen
Member since Dec 2006
2085 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 8:56 pm to
quote:

It hasnt even gotten to the 08 levels get I think...


As of about 5pm it has passed the 08 levels
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This post was edited on 5/12/11 at 8:57 pm
Posted by WestTexasTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
548 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 8:57 pm to
quote:

Walsh is not going to intentionally flood anyone until it is absolutely necessary and he will wait until the latest possible moment to do it.


Well said
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98975 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 9:38 pm to
How big are his balls gonna look when a levee fails?
Posted by cpeter9
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
25 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 9:48 pm to
Exactly I'm with udtiger, we already know that without any additional rain that Morganza WILL HAVE TO BE opened. The only plausible reason not to open it now that I can see is fear that they may not be able to close it if it scours or something else time related.
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17673 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 9:58 pm to
THe correct answer is that the protocol is to consider opening once the flow reaches 1.5 mil cfs.
Posted by RhodeIslandRed
Adrift Off the Spanish Main
Member since Aug 2009
3175 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 10:03 pm to
quote:

How big are his balls gonna look when a levee fails?



I asked myself that very question when he waited to activate the Birds Point - New Madrid Floodway. Had the Commerce levee in Missouri failed then the Mississippi River would have flooded all the way to Helena, Arkansas. Had I been in Walsh's position then I would have activated the BPNM Floodway a week earlier than he did if for no other reason than just to cover my arse.

I have met Walsh. I have talked with him. Trust me when I tell you that his primary interest is for people's lives and property. At least that is what I believe.

There are times when easy answers are not available. The man is making unimaginably difficult decisions. My view based on nothing more than personal observation is that thus far Maj.Gen. Walsh has done a damn good job.

This post was edited on 5/12/11 at 10:16 pm
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17673 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 10:03 pm to
quote:

Trigger point to open Morganza Floodway is 1.5 million cubic feet per second (cfs) at Red River Landing. (This equates to AAPRX 60 ft on the gauge)
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