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Posted on 5/22/11 at 4:22 pm to the only dirt mcgirt
tru. also, great name.
Posted on 5/22/11 at 4:25 pm to fightin tigers
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but either way Hoover Dam is an example of something the goverment has been in control of for over 40 years.
I clearly said I wasn't speaking of a single structure but more about federally controlled NATIONAL or INTERSTATE programs
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the river is on the levee almost every year and there isn't this much concern about wash out and sediment blah blah.
Is the water at this level on teh levees every year? THe woryy is the erosion combined with the stress and hieght and the increased flow of the river! Newsflash, this will be going on for weeks, not a couple of hours.
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I would think if this scenario was beyond more than just a possibility you would have some substantial push to improve the system.
I agree, so since Katrina we've had time to fix thousands of miles of this type of situation?
GET REAL, they still aren't even finished the levee improvements around New Orleans! :banghead:
And,I ask or state my point again.
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SO comparing that to the OP and his discription of levee failure, I just stated no one was discrediting his description of the possible failures and how they occur.
This post was edited on 5/22/11 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 5/22/11 at 4:26 pm to the LSUSaint
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I clearly said I wasn't speaking of a single structure but more about federally controlled NATIONAL or INTERSTATE programs
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Hoover Dam, once known as Boulder Dam, is a concrete arch-gravity dam in the Black Canyon of the Colorado River, on the border between the US states of Arizona and Nevada.
interstate FTW
Posted on 5/22/11 at 4:42 pm to Coon
Posted on 5/22/11 at 6:56 pm to Skooter
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I know Jindal said earlier this week that the water from morganza was flowing slower through the spillway Than expected because of the drought conditions. The land is soaking up a good bit of water
Right, so at least the rates, which is the main cause of concern for the OP, are lower than expected.
Posted on 5/22/11 at 7:43 pm to When in Rome
Ok, got about halfway through this before i lost interest, but for what it's worth... I dealt with quite a few "conspiracy nuts" post BP. The vast majority had dead on stats, it's the long flung conclusions that are suspect. Given a decent bandwith and enough coffee, the majority of the tin foil hats are usually dead accurate on statistics. It's the interpretations... And don't kid yourself, some of these folks have spent MORE time than the COE on this...
Posted on 5/22/11 at 8:24 pm to slackster
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shaunmccarron29
Fail.
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He hypothesizes that 100% of the Vicksburg flow goes to New Orleans. That is incorrect. The ORCS can handle 620,000 cfs of water and the Morganza, at full capacity, can absorb 600,000 cfs. That allows less than 1.5M to flow by Baton Rouge, and combined with the Bonnet Carre, New Orleans only sees 1.1 to 1.2M cfs.
Correct. There's still some wiggle room to keep BR and NOLA under their max allowable flows.
This thread should be whacked. Seriously.
Posted on 5/22/11 at 9:42 pm to Coon
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we all gonna die or what?
Yes. Yesterday was the day
Posted on 5/23/11 at 8:43 pm to Tigertown in ATL
BUMP!!
Do teh smartass mf'ers that think allthis water doesn't threaten teh levees, well it just washed out a government controlled railroad track section near the spillway.
ANy smartass still wonna chime in about how the corps have said everything is fine. and all these things were designed for this. and how erosion do to flow rates and water levels aren't and issue.
Measure that all you people who are crunching #'s to see if rates are what he gauges say.
Still fell like all the levees are up to speed and erosion isn't happeneing?
Do teh smartass mf'ers that think allthis water doesn't threaten teh levees, well it just washed out a government controlled railroad track section near the spillway.
ANy smartass still wonna chime in about how the corps have said everything is fine. and all these things were designed for this. and how erosion do to flow rates and water levels aren't and issue.
Measure that all you people who are crunching #'s to see if rates are what he gauges say.
Still fell like all the levees are up to speed and erosion isn't happeneing?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 8:48 pm to the LSUSaint
How about this, if the levees don't fail, you stop posting forever.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 9:00 pm to the LSUSaint
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Do teh smartass mf'ers that think allthis water doesn't threaten teh levees, well it just washed out a government controlled railroad track section near the spillway.
Are you drunk or an ignorant redneck? Pick one.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 9:21 pm to notiger1997
9:20 on Monday night and i'm still not dead. This thread is the disappoint.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 9:26 pm to the LSUSaint
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BUMP!! Do teh smartass mf'ers that think allthis water doesn't threaten teh levees, well it just washed out a government controlled railroad track section near the spillway. ANy smartass still wonna chime in about how the corps have said everything is fine. and all these things were designed for this. and how erosion do to flow rates and water levels aren't and issue. Measure that all you people who are crunching #'s to see if rates are what he gauges say. Still fell like all the levees are up to speed and erosion isn't happeneing?
What is this clown's malfunction?
Posted on 5/24/11 at 5:53 am to the LSUSaint
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Do teh smartass mf'ers that think allthis water doesn't threaten teh levees,
Things happen. Pretty sure no one believes the water doesn't threaten the levee but being overly alarmist doesn't help.
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well it just washed out a government controlled railroad track section near the spillway.
"Canadian National Railroad, which owns the track, says the damage was discovered yesterday afternoon and at this point, there is no telling how long the railroad bridge will be out of service for repairs."
LINK
Posted on 5/24/11 at 7:48 am to Helo
So what I am gathering from the OP is:
1) There's a LOT of water;
2) The water is taxing the present flood control system in place by the COE;
3) The COE is not telling "us" how bad it is to keep "us" from panicking;
4) Because of 1-3, we're all gonna die.
What I am hearing from most of the respondents is:
1) is true;
2) is true;
3) is not true;
4) we're all gonna die, but not because of 1-3.
I tend to side with the latter group; however, it is somewhat troubling that the flow rate through BC appears to be much higher than was expected by COE. I do not extrapolate this to mean that the COE's math is "off" up and down the river, but I do have a concern that BC could have a significant structural problem in light of the fact that the flow rate is well beyond the design tolerances.
1) There's a LOT of water;
2) The water is taxing the present flood control system in place by the COE;
3) The COE is not telling "us" how bad it is to keep "us" from panicking;
4) Because of 1-3, we're all gonna die.
What I am hearing from most of the respondents is:
1) is true;
2) is true;
3) is not true;
4) we're all gonna die, but not because of 1-3.
I tend to side with the latter group; however, it is somewhat troubling that the flow rate through BC appears to be much higher than was expected by COE. I do not extrapolate this to mean that the COE's math is "off" up and down the river, but I do have a concern that BC could have a significant structural problem in light of the fact that the flow rate is well beyond the design tolerances.
This post was edited on 5/24/11 at 7:49 am
Posted on 5/24/11 at 8:52 am to udtiger
Yea, that's a pretty good summary
Posted on 5/24/11 at 9:56 am to DollaChoppa
Ha ha...Look, they had some guy talking shite about the OP because he put forth a theory, although it was sky-is-falling type shite, about how the levees naturally erode over time and after large increases in flood waters and flow, they are in jeopardy of failing.
I argued that instead of making fun of the OP, try to discredit his claim.
His (or their) response was something about how the government does fine with its programs to control interstate or national having done great and that THE LEVEES are fine because the corps said so.
SO the railroad fails because of flow and erosion (which are things the corps and others say are built to withstand) and I was making fun of the clowns who think that failures aren't a strong possibility with what is going on-NO MATTER WHAT THE FEDS SAY!
So once again, I would love to hear someone discredit the theory of the OP's levee erosion....without the apocolypse bs of course. I'm not saying he's right (op). WHat I said was making fun of his caps lock or spelling or threat of invasions..
I argued that instead of making fun of the OP, try to discredit his claim.
His (or their) response was something about how the government does fine with its programs to control interstate or national having done great and that THE LEVEES are fine because the corps said so.
SO the railroad fails because of flow and erosion (which are things the corps and others say are built to withstand) and I was making fun of the clowns who think that failures aren't a strong possibility with what is going on-NO MATTER WHAT THE FEDS SAY!
So once again, I would love to hear someone discredit the theory of the OP's levee erosion....without the apocolypse bs of course. I'm not saying he's right (op). WHat I said was making fun of his caps lock or spelling or threat of invasions..
Posted on 5/24/11 at 10:35 am to the LSUSaint
You can't, to disprove him requires knowledge of the future. My crystal ball is in the shop.
And let's be honest, the corps is not exactly batting 1000 so far (remember the time frame maps, revised inundation charts, etc) so they aren't inspiring a ton of confidence. That being said, I would rather put faith in them than someone ranting about flooded terrorists. You cant separate that from the message. It's the whackadoodle mindset and what folks like that can't understand is it ruins an otherwise interesting, informed debate because they discredit themselves.
And let's be honest, the corps is not exactly batting 1000 so far (remember the time frame maps, revised inundation charts, etc) so they aren't inspiring a ton of confidence. That being said, I would rather put faith in them than someone ranting about flooded terrorists. You cant separate that from the message. It's the whackadoodle mindset and what folks like that can't understand is it ruins an otherwise interesting, informed debate because they discredit themselves.
Posted on 5/24/11 at 10:52 am to JulianD
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I would rather put faith in them than someone ranting about flooded terrorists.
hear, hear
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