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re: Zero RB draft theory
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:45 am to Keeble9145
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:45 am to Keeble9145
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It blew up in his face because while Gronk may be a stud TE if he were a Wr he would've been ranked 13th with the numbers he put up so combine that with probably having a hole at either WR or RB and you have a pretty shitty team. Meanwhile he could've waited till the 5th/6th rd or later and got greg olsen, tyler eifert, delanie walker, Jordan reed, or Barnidge and been an overall better team. That's why its not worth picking gronk in the first two rds because he'll never compare with the top rbs and the top wrs production wise unless he scores 18tds a year (he wont since NE has no one else but Edelman and Tom is out 4 weeks).
You realize that you can apply that argument to any position, right?
"Why take Adrian Peterson in the first 2 rounds? You can get Devonta Freeman in the 8th or David Johnson in the 10th."
What Gronk would have ranked as a WR is irrelevant unless you're talking about playing him as a flex...you're looking for marginal production advantage over the replacement, and Gronk gives you that in spades.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:16 pm to CoachKlein
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My whole strategy revolves around getting two stud receivers high
Bold strategy. Hopefully they aren't receivers on your team because they will probably be suspended for failing their drug tests.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:54 pm to DallasTiger45
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You realize that you can apply that argument to any position, right? "Why take Adrian Peterson in the first 2 rounds? You can get Devonta Freeman in the 8th or David Johnson in the 10th."
sha bless your heart, No you cant apply that to any position because Wr/Rb are more sought after than TE's in the early rds so the likeliness of you finding a top 10 wr/rb after rd 3 (yes I know there is 3-4 surprises every year but there are 10-12 teams in each league so good luck with that ) is much less likely than you finding a top 10 TE in even later rds. For instance there was 13 wrs who averaged more yards per game than him and 9 wrs who had just as many or more tds than him. while the 4 TE's ranked below him were within 10 yards of his average and not many less tds. I would keep on going but its hard to fix stupid. If youre in a decent league go ahead and draft him in the first or second rd and then go ahead and light your money on fire while you're at it
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:32 pm to CoachKlein
I find the BPA strategy to always work for me.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:41 pm to Keeble9145
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sha bless your heart, No you cant apply that to any position because Wr/Rb are more sought after than TE's in the early rds so the likeliness of you finding a top 10 wr/rb after rd 3 (yes I know there is 3-4 surprises every year but there are 10-12 teams in each league so good luck with that ) is much less likely than you finding a top 10 TE in even later rds. For instance there was 13 wrs who averaged more yards per game than him and 9 wrs who had just as many or more tds than him. while the 4 TE's ranked below him were within 10 yards of his average and not many less tds. I would keep on going but its hard to fix stupid. If youre in a decent league go ahead and draft him in the first or second rd and then go ahead and light your money on fire while you're at it
1) Why are you comparing 10 TEs to 10 WR/RB when you start 20 of each, minimum?
2) The facts don't back up your opinion. 7 of the top 10 standard RBs last year were drafted outside the top 4 rounds. 4 of the top 10 WRs were drafted outside the top 4 rounds.
3) I took Gronk at 12 overall in 2 leagues last year and won 1 of them.
4) LOL at you calling me stupid in a post that reads like English is your 3rd language.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:20 pm to CoachKlein
Klein, I'm going to give you the most valuable piece of fantasy advice you can possibly give someone on here.
Never, ever listen to this guy
Never, ever listen to this guy
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tzimme4
Posted on 8/11/16 at 4:29 pm to BilJ
BilJ
OP, seems like you're asking who to take, not necessarily that you're using zero RB strategy.
Zero RB is a misnomer here. With Zero RB, you would continue to select even bench WRs while bypassing RB until later rounds.
Looks like you're contemplating what's termed Upside-down strategy. That's typically when you go WR-WR to start your draft instead of BPA or RB-RB or RB-WR.
Upside-down, especially in PPR, is regularly used today. I can't attest to it's value in non-PPR leagues.
As to who to draft in the 7-10 range, if you're dead-set against BPA, then AJG or Dez would be my choice.
OP, seems like you're asking who to take, not necessarily that you're using zero RB strategy.
Zero RB is a misnomer here. With Zero RB, you would continue to select even bench WRs while bypassing RB until later rounds.
Looks like you're contemplating what's termed Upside-down strategy. That's typically when you go WR-WR to start your draft instead of BPA or RB-RB or RB-WR.
Upside-down, especially in PPR, is regularly used today. I can't attest to it's value in non-PPR leagues.
As to who to draft in the 7-10 range, if you're dead-set against BPA, then AJG or Dez would be my choice.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 4:40 pm to drizztiger
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drizztiger
Sounds like you just described my thought process haha.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 5:49 pm to Keeble9145
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It blew up in his face because while Gronk may be a stud TE if he were a Wr he would've been ranked 13th with the numbers he put up so combine that with probably having a hole at either WR or RB and you have a pretty shitty team. Meanwhile he could've waited till the 5th/6th rd or later and got greg olsen, tyler eifert, delanie walker, Jordan reed, or Barnidge and been an overall better team. That's why its not worth picking gronk in the first two rds because he'll never compare with the top rbs and the top wrs production wise unless he scores 18tds a year (he wont since NE has no one else but Edelman and Tom is out 4 weeks).
What do you think about drafting Gronk in round 1 or 2 in a keeper league? If you are starting off with a nice value boost at RB or WR where you may already have a player or 2 that is projected in the first couple of rounds, would putting a top flight TE option like Gronk on your team be just about a no-brainer in our opinion if you are mid to late round in a 12 team league (PPR)?
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:41 pm to Tiger at Law
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What do you think about drafting Gronk in round 1 or 2 in a keeper league? If you are starting off with a nice value boost at RB or WR where you may already have a player or 2 that is projected in the first couple of rounds, would putting a top flight TE option like Gronk on your team be just about a no-brainer in our opinion if you are mid to late round in a 12 team league (PPR)?
That is much different, in this situation it would be like picking him the 3rd rd which would great value. You'd already have a Wr1 and Rb1 so you'd be able to find a Wr2 and RB2 fairly easy in this situation. If you'd pick him in the first in a redraft league you'd be starting a lesser talent in your WR1 or RB1.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:45 pm to DallasTiger45
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1) Why are you comparing 10 TEs to 10 WR/RB when you start 20 of each, minimum?
2) The facts don't back up your opinion. 7 of the top 10 standard RBs last year were drafted outside the top 4 rounds. 4 of the top 10 WRs were drafted outside the top 4 rounds.
3) I took Gronk at 12 overall in 2 leagues last year and won 1 of them.
4) LOL at you calling me stupid in a post that reads like English is your 3rd language.
You also start 2-3 WRS and RBS and only one TE lmao. That's why the top WRs and RBS are way more valuable. I'm done trying to get it through to you though. Do your thing my man!
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:26 pm to CoachKlein
Given this scenario I think AJ is the pick. With the loss of Jones and Eifert iffy I think he has a great year. Some experts have him as the 4th best receiver. I am targeting him late in the first / early second in my draft.
I don't like the idea of drafting Gronk early and I never get him. I prefer to wait on a tight end. I wouldn't draft him to trade him. I suspect you could probably draft a better player with a 1st/2nd round pick than you could trade for.
I don't like the idea of drafting Gronk early and I never get him. I prefer to wait on a tight end. I wouldn't draft him to trade him. I suspect you could probably draft a better player with a 1st/2nd round pick than you could trade for.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 2:33 am to GeauxTigers6447
Hell, I'm in 10 player standard league and thinking RB, RB, WR, WR, WR. Now if there is a clear BPA then I change.
What say you?
What say you?
Posted on 8/13/16 at 2:26 pm to WhopperDawg
Gotta take BPA RB/WR in the first three rds. And then see where you need to focus from there.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 8:29 am to Keeble9145
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Gotta take BPA RB/WR in the first three rds. And then see where you need to focus from there.
The only really dumb things people do in these threads is speak in absolutes.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 9:12 am to mattgr1983
Well, at least this one is open. It can be any combination of RB/WR. The only exception would be if Gronk is available. (I would never choose a TE in the first 3 rounds though)
Posted on 8/14/16 at 6:33 pm to mattgr1983
Lol what is so absolute about that? You don't chose a Qb that early and TE isn't worth it either. What you gunna pick a kicker and defense? Lol
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