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Strategy Question

Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:02 pm
Posted by gotiger
Delray Beach, FL
Member since Feb 2009
2775 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:02 pm
So currently I'm in 6th. 1/2 game back of 4th to get into the playoffs. 4th place plays 1st place this week and I play 5th place. 1st place team is benching all his guys bc he doesn't want to play me in the playoffs. So, should I be pissed or just accept his strategy.

If he does this and I miss the playoffs, am I wrong to be agitated and just drop players to help the 4th place guy beat him?
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
4583 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:05 pm to
You're gonna get a mixed response on this. I'm on the side, if strategically tanking to eliminate potential threats helps you win the league, that's what playing is all about.
Posted by krehn11
IA
Member since Jul 2011
1486 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:12 pm to
No - this is absolutely bush league.
Posted by Tigereye10005
New York, NY
Member since Sep 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:13 pm to
I think you have a right to be upset. I think it is strategy if he plays worse players than normal. For example, he owns Antonio Brown and decides to start his 4th best WR in his place, etc. But actually leaving spots open isn't fair. I wouldn't allow it if I were the commissioner. Start who you want, but don't leave positions vacant.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 3:18 pm
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
11588 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:14 pm to
sucks to be in that situation...but Monkeybutt has a fair point.

Not saying I like it but it is a sound strategy to avoid the tougher matchup and you controlled your own destiny at the beginning of the season and lost it.

If he has already clinched his no.1 position he owes you no favors and he is only trying to increase his chances of winning.

I would personally play it out if I was in his position but it is not another team's responsibility to help you punch a playoff ticket. Especially if you have a team that can eliminate him.

Posted by gotiger
Delray Beach, FL
Member since Feb 2009
2775 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:15 pm to
Well he's starting backups. Benching all his studs. Frustrating as all hell. I am the commish btw
Posted by gotiger
Delray Beach, FL
Member since Feb 2009
2775 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:17 pm to
I totally understand the strategy. I've got the 3rd highest points in the league and most points scored against. So he's not exactly excited about playing me. I'm only in my position bc of bad matchups. For instance, I scored 159 and tied, and 140+ and lost..smh
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 3:18 pm
Posted by Tigereye10005
New York, NY
Member since Sep 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:17 pm to
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Well he's starting backups. Benching all his studs.


That is completely fair IMO. As long as he's fielding a full team it's his prerogative. Sucks for you though.
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
4583 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:20 pm to
Yea I was assuming he's just starting his bench players. He shouldn't just leave every spot empty.
Posted by gotiger
Delray Beach, FL
Member since Feb 2009
2775 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:23 pm to
So since everyone sees it as ok, am I wrong for being pissed and just dropping players to help 4th take him down in the playoffs? Can't drop Julio or AB, but I can drop the rest of my roster and it's an auction waiver system.
Posted by krehn11
IA
Member since Jul 2011
1486 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:25 pm to
No, no, no
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
4583 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

am I wrong for being pissed and just dropping players to help 4th take him down in the playoffs


Yes that is crossing the line.
Posted by Tigereye10005
New York, NY
Member since Sep 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:27 pm to
The problem with that is that you're not gaining any competitive advantage by doing so, so I'd see that as unfair. Sucky situation, but you just have to deal and hope his would be bench players go off haha
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
11588 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

am I wrong for being pissed
No you are not wrong. Sounds like you have a great team and it sucks you wont get a chance to make a run at the championship.

quote:

just dropping players to help 4th take him down in the playoffs?
There is no guarantee the guy who is keeping you out will even win the whole thing. Let it play out. If you are still bothered when the thing is over just leave the league.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
13858 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:35 pm to
In most cases, like yours, I think it is against the general spirit of the league. You should definitely let him know he is being a pussy.

If he were playing an already eliminated team and preferred to be the 2 seed because the 3 seed is an easier matchup than the 4 seed, then that is strategy. But as long as his game has implications on who makes the playoffs, I think he should be attempting to win. Just my take.
Posted by Tigereye10005
New York, NY
Member since Sep 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

You should definitely let him know he is being a pussy.


I think, without a doubt, you should bust his balls without abandon about pulling this move. Maybe you will be able to get some other league members on your side and make fun of him enough to where he changes his mind and plays his guys. Worth a shot for sure. But, at the end of the day, if he decides to play it this way you can't force him to do otherwise.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

es that is crossing the line.


Disagree, he is only doing what is best for him to try and make the playoffs. He isn't dropping his best, but dropping some guys that won't start for him is ok IMO. (I also thinks first place dude should play it out though and in that case, yes dropping the players would be crossing the line)
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:43 pm to
I think it's pretty bush league. I can see the strategy part of it, which I think is itself kind of unsound, but I think it opens the door to a dangerous path. If you can tank games for one reason then you can tank games for another. Let's say I just want to help my friend get into the playoffs by tanking a game. Then it becomes collusion, and there is no real way to tell the difference of intent between the two situations.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

Let's say I just want to help my friend get into the playoffs by tanking a game. Then it becomes collusion, and there is no real way to tell the difference of intent between the two situations.




very good point i don't like it, you could put it to the league - obviously you will vote one way and the #1 seed and other team will vote another. But the rest of the league may see your side if it is somewhat involved
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
11588 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

very good point i don't like it, you could put it to the league - obviously you will vote one way and the #1 seed and other team will vote another. But the rest of the league may see your side if it is somewhat involved


I agree with this. Let the league vote on it.
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