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PPR - Keeper League - Robinson v Hopkins
Posted on 8/24/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 8/24/16 at 11:47 am
1 PPR keeper league, no penalty for keeping either. Allen Robinson or Denard Hopkins. Coming into season I was all Hopkins, but given camp reports from both Jax and Hou, I'm impressed with Robinson and scared of Hopkins QB situation.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 11:53 am to SetTheMood
Same situation in one of my leagues. However we get 2 and I'm keeping both over Dez. However if I could only pick one, I'd probably lean towards Hopkins. Think he's more talented. And IDGAF what the QB situation is like this year, it can't be worse than last year when he put up great stats. Plus I think the offense will be more balanced with the addition of Miller, Fuller and Braxton, which will alleviate some pressure off of Hopkins. This is a good thing IMO.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 11:58 am to PurpleDrank18
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, it can't be worse than last year
they did combine to actually be a top 15ish QB. So yes, it can get worse.
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Plus I think the offense will be more balanced with the addition of Miller, Fuller and Braxton,
sure but that will come at the cost of the large market share in targets he monopolized last season.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 12:22 pm to BilJ
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they did combine to actually be a top 15ish QB. So yes, it can get worse
They collectively would have been 18th in standard formats behind Tannehill. So yeah technically it could get worse, but it was still not very good. You knew what I meant. If you watched any games with Hoyer or Mallet you saw just how bad it really was. Also i think a lot of the QB success you can directly attribute to Hopkins. The Texans QB collection isn't even sniffing Top-25 without him.
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sure but that will come at the cost of the large market share in targets he monopolized last season.
Ehh I don't think you'll see them stray away from DeAndre that drastically if at all. He's still going to get his. Plus a more efficient offense means more sustained drives, which equals more catch opportunities and scoring opportunities. The Texans were 2nd to last in yards per play, and almost bottom 10 in points per game. A better/ more efficient offense is going to help Nuk IMO, not hurt him because of volume or a decrease in market share.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 12:25 pm to SetTheMood
Hopkins is the clear # 1 and the #2 is going to be a rookie
Allen is the clear #1 but Jacksonville have hurns and Thomas and they brought in ivory to concentrate more on the running game.
Defenses have more to worry about when playing Jacksonville as opposed to when they play Houston so Hopkins will get all the attention but I would still go Hopkins over Allen.
Allen is the clear #1 but Jacksonville have hurns and Thomas and they brought in ivory to concentrate more on the running game.
Defenses have more to worry about when playing Jacksonville as opposed to when they play Houston so Hopkins will get all the attention but I would still go Hopkins over Allen.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 12:30 pm to SetTheMood
Robinson over Hopkins
Posted on 8/24/16 at 12:43 pm to SetTheMood
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Denard Hopkins
Never heard of him
Posted on 8/24/16 at 12:45 pm to GynoSandberg
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Robinson over Hopkins
Posted on 8/24/16 at 12:45 pm to PurpleDrank18
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If you watched any games with Hoyer or Mallet you saw just how bad it really was
I did watch many of their games as a Hopkins owner in pretty much all my leagues....Yes the QBs were dog shite but they had eyes for hopkins only, his target share was ridiculous.
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Also i think a lot of the QB success you can directly attribute to Hopkins.
sure but the guy replacing him couldn't manage to look worth a shite with arguably a much better group of WRs.
I'm not even arguing Nuk the player, I love him. But with an expected regression of targets (argue all you want, that number was an outlier that very few have received, much less in back to back seasons) he is not far and away the #4 WR he's flying off the board at currently. Still since it isn't any more costly to keep him over A-Rob, you keep hopkins.
eta:I looked it up, 192 targets was good for 5th most of all time.
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 8/24/16 at 12:54 pm to BilJ
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sure but the guy replacing him couldn't manage to look worth a shite with arguably a much better group of WRs
It's preseason..you know who else has looked pretty shitty in limited preseason work? Brees.
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he is not far and away the #4 WR he's flying off the board at currently
I never said this. Personally he's a close 5 with Green at 4 for me.
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an expected regression of targets
Even with everything the same I think you could expect a regression in targets. He had 192; that's ridiculous. Still he had one of the lower catch rates among the top WRs, so while he may, or probably will, see a decrease in targets, I think you could argue those will be better targets. If his catch rate goes up, his targets may be down but he could still put up 100-110 catches easily. Plus like I said, a more efficient/better offense means longer drives and more scoring chances, which honestly could give him similar numbers, yet still see his market share decline.
I think overall we're on the same page tho.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 12:59 pm to PurpleDrank18
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However we get 2 and I'm keeping both over Dez
Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:01 pm to BilJ
Brock Osweiler’s accuracy percentage on passes 20 yards or more downfield (26.7) ranked 34th out of 35 qualifying quarterbacks in 2015.
See what he and noodle arm Peyton did to DT88. Took a Lamborghini and turned it into a 6 cyclinder Mustang. If you cant complete the ball downfield it hinders a guy like Hopkins (Will Fuller too, he's a burner)
Jax is going to pass, and Bortles is simply a better QB. Robinson is a STUD with stud measurables; I think that gets lost on people bc he's in Jacksonville.
See what he and noodle arm Peyton did to DT88. Took a Lamborghini and turned it into a 6 cyclinder Mustang. If you cant complete the ball downfield it hinders a guy like Hopkins (Will Fuller too, he's a burner)
Jax is going to pass, and Bortles is simply a better QB. Robinson is a STUD with stud measurables; I think that gets lost on people bc he's in Jacksonville.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:03 pm to 3andOut
I'm just not trying to ride the Dez/Romo injury rollercoaster again. I'd rather play it safe. I mean Robinson and Hopkins probably wouldn't be too far off Dez, if at all, even if him and Romo were healthy for all 16 games.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:06 pm to GynoSandberg
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Robinson is a STUD with stud measurables
I 100% agree with this. I just think Hopkins is even better. Not a knock on ARob at all. I think JAX passing stats go down(in a good way). They played a lot of catch up ball last year and I think they'll be a markedly better team this year. There really isn't a "wrong" answer to this question, I think both will easily be high-end WR1s if healthy. I just personally like Hopkins a tad better.
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Brock Osweiler’s accuracy percentage on passes 20 yards or more downfield (26.7) ranked 34th out of 35 qualifying quarterbacks in 2015.
Also, I'm not saying that he's All-Pro in this category, but this is a small sample size. He only threw 48 passes farther than 15 yards(quickest stat i could find). Most QBs doubled or more than doubled that number of attempts. So while I'm not saying you're wrong, idk if you can fully trust that stat after how little he played last year.
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:13 pm to PurpleDrank18
I like Hopkins a lot, but Osweiler really stood out as a poor QB last season. I think Brian Hoyer is better, tbh.
And I agree, there was a thread yesterday were we looked at JAX passing offense and how they played from behind. Passed 65% of their offensive snaps.
That said, I am thinking a downtick in production for both.
I think Dez will be high end 1-4
Robison will be in the mid range, 5-7
Hopkins 8-12
as far as PPR WR go.
And I agree, there was a thread yesterday were we looked at JAX passing offense and how they played from behind. Passed 65% of their offensive snaps.
That said, I am thinking a downtick in production for both.
I think Dez will be high end 1-4
Robison will be in the mid range, 5-7
Hopkins 8-12
as far as PPR WR go.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:13 pm to SetTheMood
I drafted Robinson in the 7th or 8th last year and traded him and his keeper rights for Dion Lewis 
To be fair, Lewis was going crazy and I needed a RB
To be fair, Lewis was going crazy and I needed a RB
Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:18 pm to GynoSandberg
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I think Brian Hoyer is better, tbh
I don't know about this. I'm by no means a Brock-truther. I think Texans fans that think he's the savior are in for a rude awakening. But i think his measurables and talent far exceed Hoyer.
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I think Dez will be high end 1-4
Robison will be in the mid range, 5-7
Hopkins 8-12
And I can't really argue this. If Dez and Romo stay healthy I could easily see this scenario happening. Although I do personally think you have Hopkins a little low. Who are the 8-11 WR you see finishing ahead of him?
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:21 pm to GynoSandberg
I hope you're wrong, gyno.
I kept Nuk (lose 2nd round pick). I'll get one of AB, Julio or Odell to pair with him with the 2nd overall pick; but I have a lot riding on Hopkins.
I kept Nuk (lose 2nd round pick). I'll get one of AB, Julio or Odell to pair with him with the 2nd overall pick; but I have a lot riding on Hopkins.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:29 pm to PurpleDrank18
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Who are the 8-11 WR you see finishing ahead of him?
shite, I have an auction draft on Sunday on this board, I cant divulge the guys in the bottom range just yet
But the 6 that would come to no surprise
1. Julio
2. AB84
3. OBJ
4. Dez
5. Robinson
6. Green
Remember you also have guys like DT88, Jordy, Cobb trying to jump back into the top 10, too. It's tough sledding, and Hopkins certainly has the potential to be a beast again. I just don't think BO
Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:36 pm to SetTheMood
I like Hopkins. QB play is a problem but Hous is lacking weapons. He's still gonna get a ton of targets. He'll have 15-20 more catches than Robinson
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