re: Remember the NeverTrumpers screaming about Trump being a fake conservative?

Maybe. But you seem to care more than I. Because I don't care where he went, if he is right or wrong, why he left etc. I don't care about much right now.

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Being neither a religion nor an ideology, the body of opinion termed conservatism possesses no Holy Writ and no Das Kapital to provide dogmata......For there exists no Model Conservative, and conservatism is the negation of ideology: it is a state of mind

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Your link. So no, those are not the defining principles, but we will go through them because at least you attempted. We will also use the link you gave.

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1) The conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order.

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We need to define this by your link: That order is made for man, and man is made for it: human nature is a constant, and moral truths are permanent. Our twentieth-century world has experienced the hideous consequences of the collapse of belief in a moral order.

You state Trump is all over with that. You are wrong. I could say that you are that way, but my words would be meaningless because I have not given anything evidence of that.

As I see it, Trump Has a strong moral compass. He calls right ... right, and wrong, wrong. Let's take Chicago. He is President. He does not have to talk about Chicago. Obama didn't. He's not going to Win Illinois either. Yet almost daily he raises awareness.

He has helped people in need more times and you didn't know ANYTHING about those until he ran. He was hiring women to Executive positions when most wouldn't hire them past a secretary pool. I could go on and on.

Now you can counter and give as many examples as you want.

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2) The conservative adheres to custom, convention, and continuity.

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Again.. clarity from your link: divided up into the 3 terms

Custom... It is old custom that enables people to live together peaceably. I believe he is taking us back to old customs. We could use the the transgender issue. We could use the immigration issue. We could use the Welfare issue (personal responsibility).... etc.

convention...law at base is a body of conventions. Again, Immigration... He's huge on law and order.

Continuity is the means of linking generation to generation; it matters as much for society as it does for the individual; without it, life is meaningless.

He is linking a generation to a generation. What he is doing right now is turning the eyes of the country back to a time when it WAS the USA first. From the mid 90s to 2015, this nation was forgetting who they were. It was those in leadership during that time that moved the USA from #2

Yes... You will need to give examples in all of these.

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3) Conservatives believe in what may be called the principle of prescription.....Well, Trump seemingly only thinks about his personal accomplishments and doesn't look to the past at all for anything anyone else has done for him, so he doesn't meet this as well.

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And that's wrong. I have watched Trump talk about his upbringing and very much so credited his father's tough stance and sending him to military school..... etc.

He also speaks a lot about veterans and what they have done.

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4) Conservatives are guided by their principle of prudence. He is highly reactionary and doesn't give two shits about his current actions or the damage his words may cause.

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Again to your link.. Any public measure ought to be judged by its probable long-run consequences, not merely by temporary advantage or popularity.

Sounds like Trump to me. We tried NAFTA and it failed. We tried Trade in other ways and got taken to the cleaners. All roughly 2 decades old. Turning back (again continuity) back to better deals and trade. You just defined what Clinton did and Obama did.

Now YOU want to make it into words that he says rather than policy. What damage has his words caused?

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5) Conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety.

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Nothing better than hearing a liberal preach....

Seriously.... You have yet to offer anything other than opinion. I have given you examples proving otherwise.

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6) Conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability.

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So now you are making this mean what you want it to mean rather than what your link states: By proper attention to prudent reform, we may preserve and improve this tolerable order. But if the old institutional and moral safeguards of a nation are neglected, then the anarchic impulse in humankind breaks loose

That's exactly what Trump is doing in policy.

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9) The conservative perceives the need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions.

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Skipped to this one due to you agreeing that he met those.

Your link: Politically speaking, power is the ability to do as one likes, When every person claims to be a power unto himself, then society falls into anarchy. A state in which an individual or a small group are able to dominate the wills of their fellows without check is a despotism


He does not fit that at all. His nomination to the SCOTUS would certainly limit him in an attempt to over reach.

In fact, your link is very much so describing the actions of the progressives with rioting.

No need in #10 because that's not a problem for you.

I'm reading the rest of the posts, and then I will explain all of this so we can understand what a conservative is.