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re: What Actually Happens Oct. 17th

Posted on 10/8/13 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/8/13 at 6:10 pm to
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What Actually Happens Oct. 17th
Thanks Benny.
I've been saying the same thing on the "other board".

Essentially if we hit the Oct17th Debt Ceiling, we've got a suddenly imposed Balanced Budget. Decisions would be hard, but actual default would constitute dereliction.
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 10/8/13 at 11:50 pm to
So, 1/3 of federal "creditors" don't get paid.

I guess you could rotate the pain -- one month social security recipients are not paid, the next month medicare and student loans, then military and federal contractors. Repeat.

Under bankruptcy laws, 3 creditors can put you into involuntary bankruptcy. Does government work the same way?

And who decides the sequence, the Decider in Chief?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 10/9/13 at 12:05 am to
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During the previous debt ceiling negotiations and rating downgrade, Treasuries rallied.

The U.S. didn't default during the previous debt ceiling negotiation.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 10/9/13 at 12:07 am to
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one debt payment? yeah.


Yes. If the contract says the U.S. has defaulted, its defaulted. The U.S. sent a few checks out late in the 70's and short term rates jumped overnight.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 10/9/13 at 12:07 am to
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Payments are routinely delayed for one reason or another in the normal course of business.


PAYMENTS TO U.S. DEBT HOLDERS ARE NOT.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15043 posts
Posted on 10/9/13 at 6:53 am to
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Under bankruptcy laws, 3 creditors can put you into involuntary bankruptcy. Does government work the same way?

Are you asking whether 3 creditors could join together and force the entire federal government into an involuntary bankruptcy.
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
Middle of a layover
Member since Nov 2010
5593 posts
Posted on 10/9/13 at 9:42 am to
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The U.S. didn't default during the previous debt ceiling negotiation.

And prioritization would be enacted before the default occurred... not sure what your point is here?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 10/9/13 at 9:53 am to
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rioritization would be enacted before the default occurred... not sure what your point is here?

the exact definition of "default" is doing some work here for Tuba
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