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Posted on 11/12/21 at 7:40 pm to alpinetiger
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 7:42 pm to alpinetiger
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As per Robert Barnes before he was removed from the defense team, and Rich Baris who did the polling, over 2/3 of the residents polled in Kenosha assumed that Rittenhouse was guily and they didn't have an open mind about it either. Barnes wanted to do a very long and specific voir dire to remove these types of people, but instead this terrible defense attorney empaneled the jury in one day. Hopefully they'll be a few on the jury that have an open mind and Rittenhouse can get a mistrial. I think the odds are very low for an acquittal even though it very obvious Rittinghouse is innocent.
This is really worrying. Sounds like Richards wanted to be center stage on a high profile case, and not really worried about doing the best job for his client.
Why didn't Kyle and his mom choose someone outside the local area to be the lead counsel?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 7:46 pm to UTMaverick
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Sounds like Richards wanted to be center stage on a high profile case, and not really worried about doing the best job for his client.
Richards was an embarrassment. If Kyle prevails it will be in spite of Richards and not because of him. The bald headed attorney was the only competent attorney in that court room.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 7:49 pm to TDTOM
I believe that if KR is found guilty as charged or guilty of any high level crime, it's because the jurors minds were made up before any evidence was presented to begin with. But I just don't get that feeling at all, especially given the prosecution's off-putting attitude and overall approach to the matter and seeming desperation throughout.
To have to look so deeply into scenarios wherein the state could be successful is pretty telling. More often than not it's the other way around, i.e. it's apparent from the get-go that defendant is behind the 8-ball and starts out in a hole (despite the law attempting to make it not such), but that hasn't been the case here. I think he's sitting pretty, or as pretty as possible under all circumstances.
To have to look so deeply into scenarios wherein the state could be successful is pretty telling. More often than not it's the other way around, i.e. it's apparent from the get-go that defendant is behind the 8-ball and starts out in a hole (despite the law attempting to make it not such), but that hasn't been the case here. I think he's sitting pretty, or as pretty as possible under all circumstances.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 7:54 pm to davyjones
Again, I hope you are right. I personally see a hung jury. Which I guess at this point may be a win.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 8:00 pm to TDTOM
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Again, I hope you are right
Me and you both.
I would say that a hung jury would be more of a victory for the prosecution than defense in this particular trial. But of course that all assumes a fair minded jury to begin with. My personal gut feeling is that they are fair minded enough for this task.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 8:03 pm to joeleblanc
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I’m calling it.
Will be found guilty on lesser charges due to wokeness.
Prosecution knows they don’t have a winnable case with the current charges
I hope I’m wrong
Depends on the jury of course, but Kenosha County isn't particularly woke.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 8:05 pm to UTMaverick
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This is really worrying. Sounds like Richards wanted to be center stage on a high profile case, and not really worried about doing the best job for his client.
Think about what you just said.
Why would he want to be on a high profile case if he had no interest in winning?
Losing isn't good for business.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 8:11 pm to BuckyCheese
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Draw your own conclusions on how much of a threat anyone in that courtroom thinks Kyle is. That's the judge to the left. Not one of his lawyers. *I didn't notice him being this close but wasn't watching it that closely. I did note him standing behind the judge and no one had an issue. They are looking at the video the prosecution introduced.
I had the exact same thought. The judge was sitting directly in front of him at one point for a while watching the video. Judge has a triple murder/attempted murder suspect right behind him and doesn’t give a frick. Everyone knows this kid really isn’t a risk to society at all.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:40 pm to jlovel7
quote:Was going to say having a babyface doesn't mean anything... but yeah, sitting over the judge's left shoulder isn't something you let Jeffrey Dahmer do.quote:
Draw your own conclusions on how much of a threat anyone in that courtroom thinks Kyle is. That's the judge to the left. Not one of his lawyers. *I didn't notice him being this close but wasn't watching it that closely. I did note him standing behind the judge and no one had an issue. They are looking at the video the prosecution introduced.
I had the exact same thought. The judge was sitting directly in front of him at one point for a while watching the video. Judge has a triple murder/attempted murder suspect right behind him and doesn’t give a frick. Everyone knows this kid really isn’t a risk to society at all.
Kid was caught up in an unfortunate scenario, and is probably going to get tagged with a misdemeaner (and time served). Won't get off scot-free, but considering he's facing murder charges, will be a win for him.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 10:53 pm to Scoob
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Kid was caught up in an unfortunate scenario, and is probably going to get tagged with a misdemeaner (and time served).
No time served at all. Maybe a misdemeanor. I personally think he will be a quitted of all charges.
The judge knows the video/pic is shite. Him allowing it, says to me, he doesn't believe a jury will see anything either. I just finished watching the motion today without the commentary and the judge specifically said to Fatlock"You don't want to hear my thoughts on it"=the video and pictures.
Kids is walking free from this circus Monday, Tuesday at the latest. Prosecution has zero case against any charges. The defense let them hang themselves. They should have done more but it's a win.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:03 pm to BuckyCheese
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Think about what you just said.
Why would he want to be on a high profile case if he had no interest in winning?
Losing isn't good for business.
His case was shite from the very beginning. That's not because his in/ability to prosecute, that's on the situation/his ability to comprehend the situation.
He's literally prosecuting because it will get him fame, win or lose. He gains nothing from reaching the right conclusion.
It's for the Greater Good, comrade.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:06 pm to The Maj
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The amount of people that defended lebron is alarming to me.
He has 51M followers on Twitter. It's mind-blowing TBH.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:35 pm to BuckyCheese
That’s excellent.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:36 pm to NPComb
Lebron is nothing but a pawn
Posted on 11/13/21 at 12:12 am to Tunasntigers92
Rekieta's doing a wrap up stream on the day's events now... just said he got a note from someone there that 5 of the possible jurors have worn masks the entire time and was like do what that info what you want
Posted on 11/13/21 at 12:19 am to rt3
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he got a note from someone there that 5 of the possible jurors have worn masks the entire time and was like do what that info what you want
It's kinda difficult to figure out what to do with it, considering the presence of that bolded word in there. Was this during jury selection, or during trial? Because if you're there observing the whole deal, at this point you very easily recognize who the jurors are. In fact they usually give them pins to wear that clearly say "juror".
Posted on 11/13/21 at 12:22 am to Winstonscrabfingers
I got to watch right up until the point where the judge allowed for provocation. The commentary on the feed seemed to be adamant that the grainy video would somehow allow the prosecution to thread the needle. Now, from my 1000 yard view this is what I see. The prosecution is trying to argue that Kyle provoked Rosenbum by raising his rifle. The problem however is that Rosenbum is not a likeable or endearing individual. He was a hyper aggressive hot head as the video shows and it took virtually nothing to provoke him. Look at the dumpster fire that was put out. He was so agitated he was making threats and ready to fight and can clearly be seen responding by saying shoot me N****. So the threshold for provoking him was extremely small. Therefore I don’t think a jury can make a clear determination that Kyle did anything overt or covert to set him off that would make the charge of provocation stick.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 12:31 am to davyjones
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It's kinda difficult to figure out what to do with it, considering the presence of that bolded word in there. Was this during jury selection, or during trial? Because if you're there observing the whole deal, at this point you very easily recognize who the jurors are. In fact they usually give them pins to wear that clearly say "juror".
I put the word possible there b/c the jurors haven't drawn the lots yet to figure out which 12 will actually decide Kyle's fate
so it still isn't decided yet which will be the actual jurors and which are the alternates... but they've been there hearing the entire case
ETA: the 5 that have been wearing masks all trial long might all end up draw an alternate selection... we don't know yet
I believe it's been said there's been 18 people in the jury box the whole trial long
This post was edited on 11/13/21 at 12:37 am
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