re: O’s Legacy…Hero or Villain?

quote:

---

fricktard

---

quote:

---

you’re mad

---

quote:

---

fricking idiot.

---

quote:

---

Your boy’s not getting a lifetime contract.

---

Good I never even said he should stay another year.

quote:

---

I always thought adding the crawfish anecdote was a nice touch

---

Then you'll love this detail from JB:

quote:

---

Joe Burrow said that during his recruitment, he went out to dinner with Ed Orgeron. When they got to the restaurant, Orgeron found out they didn’t serve crawfish. So Orgeron had the restaurant manager go out and get 15 lbs of crawfish and cook it for them anyway.

---

quote:

---

I’m well aware of the timeline. But if you think that Burrow and his family weren’t preparing for the possible scenario that he would be transferring after graduation long before Meyer announced his decision simply because you can’t find it in a Sports Illustrated article, it’s your real world comprehension that needs questioning.

---

No, that's not a lack of reading comprehension, it's a lack of trying to use speculation for fact - which is what you are doing.

Neither you or I have any idea what the Burrow were or weren't preparing for then or when they started to. I'm using fact or the closest things to it, you're just making speculative statements based on nothing.

quote:

---

Correct, Burrow didn’t tell the 247 writer that his decision was already made so it could be included in his blog post.

---

And has never mentioned it in any way shape or form to any human being, or even alluded to it. But what he has stated is that he wasn't sure about LSU until his long visit and talks with O and E.

So again, we have facts on one had, and then we have you pulling claims out of your arse without any support whatsoever.

quote:

---

He wanted to go where he could win a championship.

---

Well what made him think that LSU could?

quote:

---

The film study unfolded Saturday. Coaches showed clips of Burrow while at Ohio State, comparing and contrasting them to plays in Ensminger’s new offense—specifically the system he ran in 2016 as LSU’s interim offensive coordinator.

“Had a nice cut-up of some of the plays that he ran and some of the plays we run. We asked him to take us through his reads. He was excellent,” Orgeron said. “He knew exactly what was going on, exactly the coverage, the reads. We went through some quarterback run plays. He was A-plus in that meeting.” Coaches showed Burrow a video that focused on gaudy statitics the Tigers mounted during Ensminger’s interim stint.

---

Thanks for proving my entire point.

Naive? Dude, you’re twisting yourself in knots just to minimize or even eliminate any credit O gets for recruiting Burrow, to the point of discrediting and discarding the many consistent accounts of the situation, even the words of first-hand people and instead creating some narrative that’s completely based on speculation. It’s pretty silly.

You’ve created this narrative where:
1) Burrow never had any desire to go to Cincy and was always going to LSU (despite multiple sources saying either he was either interested in both or even had Cincy above; and there is no source anywhere saying or even insinuating that he wasn’t legitimately interested in Cincy).

2) The Burrows thought a 9-7 LSU was a good bet for a championship run despite the shrimp boat captain HC and weak OC (the descrips by your people not me) and they, a very football-wise family, would support Joe going to a team with a poor HC.

What’s even more hilarious is even the most staunch (but rational) O critics will admit he’s a great recruiter, maybe among the best, but here you are arguing tooth and nail, nah, O had nothing to do with it.

I mean, you can say JB and his family and everyone else is lying and O had nothing to do with it if you want to ignore any semblance of evidence and go with nothing but pure speculation that supports your “side” if that’s how you roll. Good luck with all that.

quote:

---

Any LSU head coach who wins a natty is a legend.

---

Nah. The team was legendary.

quote:

---

you’re twisting yourself in knots just to minimize or even eliminate any credit O gets for recruiting Burrow,

---

He didn't mess it up. There is credit involved in not messing something up when it's practically gift wrapped for you.

quote:

---

Dude, you’re twisting yourself in knots just to minimize or even eliminate any credit O gets for recruiting Burrow

---

Nah, just looking at a guy that people say has the competitive fire and desire to win comparable to Tom Brady, and asking myself where is he more likely to want to play, LSU or Cincinnati.

quote:

---

despite multiple sources saying either he was either interested in both or even had Cincy above

---

No “sources” with any more insight to Burrow and his inner circle than anyone else said this. Beat writers “speculate” on where recruits are going all the time. Hell they have an entire industry dedicated to crystal balls guessing at where they are going.

An article saying “many believed” he was a Cincy lean isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, so to speak.


Did Burrow visit Cincinnati? Sure. Did he have a preexisting relationship with the coach there in his parents’ backyard? It was an obvious stop to make in case something didn’t work out for whatever reason.

I would expect nothing else from a family as focused and savvy as the Burrows.

And of course he’d say nice things about the school and say how tough the decision was.

Have you ever followed a recruitment
outside of this one? Did you hear how badly Landon Collins’ mom really wanted him to come to Baton Rouge??


But I can also look at his earlier recruiting history in 2014, when he had an offer to Ohio State, and a collection of other second or third tier schools where he likely would have had an easier road to playing time but almost no chance at winning anything substantial, including Cincinnati. And the guy went for the glory because that’s who he is.

I don’t see why anyone would pretend to think otherwise.

Why he wouldn’t do the same in 2018 when the competition for playing time wasn’t even an issue?



Speaking of, you take everything written about this situation as gospel? Remember when O said Burrow wasn’t guaranteed the job and he had to win the competition just like anyone else?? Well if you believe that, again, there just isn’t anything left to discuss here.

quote:

---

The Burrows thought a 9-7 LSU was a good bet for a championship run despite the shrimp boat captain HC and weak OC (the descrips by your people not me) and they, a very football-wise family, would support Joe going to a team with a poor HC.

---

Burrow believed in himself and the talent on the roster. Busch vouched for Aranda and yes I’m sure they were impressed by E (I’ve long been a defender of E) and liked O just fine, but Burrow was betting on himself more than anything. Again, that’s who he is.


The bottom line is unless Ed showed up wasted and tried to hit on Mrs Burrow, there wasn’t much he could have done to mess it up.

Although admittedly, knowing what we know now, that was actually quite an accomplishment and we should all count ourselves fortunate

quote:

---

What’s even more hilarious is even the most staunch (but rational) O critics will admit he’s a great recruiter, maybe among the best, but here you are arguing tooth and nail, nah, O had nothing to do with it.

---

Again, this is saying nothing against his recruiting abilities (that’s another discussion). Your focus is on Ed, my focus is on Burrow and what we all know about him now that few knew in 2018.

I simply find it clear as day that the driving force behind Burrow’s decision was his desire to win on the biggest stage and make it to the next level, not a film session and certainly not a crawfish dinner.


The aligning of the stars that made LSU such an obvious choice is something every LSU fan should be eternally grateful for.

quote:

---

I mean, you can say JB and his family and everyone else is lying and O had nothing to do with it if you want to ignore any semblance of evidence and go with nothing but pure speculation that supports your “side” if that’s how you roll. Good luck with all that.

---

Again, if that’s how you approach everything in your life, only taking things you literally hear come out of someone’s mouth without further analyzing the situation, good luck to you as well

(no message)

quote:

---

He frick over Miles and won games that Miles would have won except he lost to UF and Miles wouldn’t have done that.

---

Dude, Miles had a good run, but he lost to a shitty Auburn team with basically a pre-season top 5 LSU team and was 2-2 when he was canned with an offense that scored just 34 against Jacksonville State for a season high. LSU was headed for an awful year under Miles.