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re: Coach besides O who you’re most looking forward to replacing

Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:42 pm to
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10484 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:42 pm to
Pretty much everyone outside of Raymond needs to go. Joseph can stay on in some capacity for recruiting, but should not be an actual coach.

Otherwise, clean house and start fresh everywhere else.

Faulk is one I'd consider, but I honestly don't think he is a great coach. Most great players are not good at coaching, because technique was not their strength as much as natural ability that most of their players cannot match.




This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 1:44 pm
Posted by js1591
Member since Jan 2020
2666 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

If you think we're "losing in the trenches" to these schools because of strength & conditioning, you're an idiot.


Didn’t Austin Deculus make a comment about the O line not being in good condition?
Posted by patchesohoulihan_007
Member since Jul 2015
2085 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:49 pm to
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Raymond, Faulk and Joseph are the only ones I’d even consider retaining. That being said, it’s going to be up to the new HC if he even wants to retain anyone.

We may need a complete clean sweep/culture shift in order to move on to greener pastures.


Agree with you there. Those three are proven solid and ingrained in the program. Try to convince the new guy to keep them on, but if he wants a clean slate, give it to him.
Posted by Furby
Member since May 2012
49 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 3:00 pm to
Tyler and Parker Orgeron
Posted by NorthLouisianaLSUFan
North Louisiana
Member since May 2016
87 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 3:32 pm to
Everyone BUT Cory Raymond
Posted by Daequalizer
Member since Aug 2021
1310 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 3:46 pm to
Special teams coach -- punt block/returns and kick off returns... dude is totally useless
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18163 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

If you think we're "losing in the trenches" to these schools because of strength & conditioning, you're an idiot.
this board is WAY too focused on strength and conditioning.

The overwhelming reason our OL is bad is that they're not talented and not properly developed, from a technique perspective.

No amount of weight lifting and running (yes, I know I'm oversimplifying it) will change that.

Now of course, we want our players to be strong, flexible, and in good shape to play their position.

But S&C can't transform poor players into good ones.

It just can't.
Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
8663 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 3:48 pm to
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Peetz


Yeah. peetz needs more time to develop. He needs a G5 job or something.
Posted by Jb1994
Member since Sep 2018
2116 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 3:55 pm to
Ponamsky
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28528 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

Special teams coach -- punt block/returns and kick off returns... dude is totally useless


The returns haven't been great. But the kicking has arguably been the best in the last 40 years of LSU football.

For years LSU couldn't get a touchback (or didn't want to). Now it is almost automatic and has been for 4 years. The ST coach brought in Cole Tracy (Groza Finalist) followed up by Cade York, maybe the best place kicker in LSU history.

If the ST coach is at the top of your list of complaints, then I'd hate to see what happens when you actually watch a game
Posted by fightntiger32
Member since Jan 2014
446 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 4:01 pm to
Everyone except Corey Raymond and Special Teams Coach.
Posted by Daequalizer
Member since Aug 2021
1310 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 4:14 pm to
I'm talking about strategy nimrod. Kicking is kicking a guy can either kick hard or not. The lack of punt pressure and lack of return is pathetic.
Posted by Tigerstark
Parts unknown
Member since Aug 2011
5987 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 4:17 pm to
I'll let the new coach decide who to replace, which I assume is everyone or almost everyone.



While those in the know, or pretend to be in the know, still believe in Moffitt, there have been lots of issues and plenty of question marks should be raised about what they do in the summer. There is a culture issue, and S&C is a big part of the culture too.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 4:19 pm
Posted by lsufb1912
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2021
5965 posts
Posted on 10/14/21 at 8:30 am to
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boils down to lack of strength and stamina which falls at the knees of Moffitt.

Do you really think our lineman today don't bench press, squat, or run as much as our lineman did 10 years ago? There was another post started this morning that mentions the difference between the practice styles of Les & Ed O.
THIS is the reason.
quote:

a former LSU player told him that Les Miles practices were too hard..
...O is the opposite, he doesn’t push LSU players hard enough in practices, implying we’re seeing the results.


I can almost guarantee that for the most part the linemen on the 2021 LSU Football team are going through the same offseason/conditioning program that the 2011 LSU Football team did. The main difference is the coaching & the intensity of practices. Moffitt has no say in how intense their practices should be.
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 9:14 am
Posted by tigerland81
Pensacola
Member since Dec 2003
367 posts
Posted on 10/14/21 at 9:11 am to
Moffitt is the Ad as well. I can bet Woody has him on eyes and ears duty digging shite up to help with canning O to save his own arse.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59128 posts
Posted on 10/14/21 at 9:14 am to
quote:

Moffitt is probably a top 5 S&C coach in the country

The issues in the trench are related to recruiting imo


Recruiting and overall team culture (which is on O). What can the S&C coach really do if the head of the organization is not stressing dedication to S&C? It's one reason why I hate the idea of the "CEO model" at least as far as most posters think of it. A CEO doesn't just "hire the best people" and let them do whatever they want. A CEO must coordinate the efforts of all those best people, which clearly isn't happening here.
Posted by LSU615
Member since Sep 2014
2284 posts
Posted on 10/14/21 at 9:18 am to
Johnny Wholestaff
Posted by ELTIGRE52
Lexington.Ky
Member since Apr 2020
454 posts
Posted on 10/14/21 at 9:20 am to
Have you seen how fat some of the players are, that's on the players and the coaches.
Posted by KC Tiger
Member since Sep 2006
4620 posts
Posted on 10/14/21 at 10:10 am to
quote:

Moffitt is probably a top 5 S&C coach in the country


People keep saying this, but how would we know? It seems to me the quantifiable measurement would be actual performance on the field (i.e. strength, conditioning, endurance, durability, etc).

Only my opinion, but I'm not seeing it.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4032 posts
Posted on 10/14/21 at 10:14 am to
All of them, clean house. Need all new blood in there to build a new attitude, approach and program.
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