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re: What did Griffin do wrong this off season?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:01 am to Olric
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:01 am to Olric
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You probably could throw some blame at Zions camp for our lack of free agent signings. Why would players come here long term if they're hearing our star is on his way out
If Zion turns down 200M rookie extension I’ll be absolutely stunned.
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:08 am to Corporal Beavis
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Spurs had less leverage than we did
This is just flat out wrong. Bulls had absolutely no way to clear the salary to sign DD. That was not the case to sign Lonzo.
Also, the 1st sent to Charlotte in the Graham trade was sent so Charlotte wouldn't match a below market value deal.
As for the other posters saying Griff sat on his hands, that is unequivocally false. He can't force players to take the contract. He even tried to overpay them, and they still turned it down. It's becoming painfully obvious, none of the big names want to play anywhere but LA,NY and Miami.
Even Dallas who has been better than us can't get anyone to go there.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:17 am to Soggymoss
quote:It clearly was not a below market value deal or Graham would not have signed it. However, the Pels may not have wanted to wait 3 days to see if the Hornets matched as it could have affected how Griffin approached other potential deals.
Also, the 1st sent to Charlotte in the Graham trade was sent so Charlotte wouldn't match a below market value deal.
It is clear that Griffin is searching for a trading partner to use some of the space below the tax that we have.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 10:18 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:19 am to Soggymoss
No one in this league likes or trusts our front office and that’s a big reason why we struck out hard this year. There was literally only 4-5 teams with significant cap space this season and we were still avoided like the plaque. And yes that’s on Griff. He has to be able to connect and sell better to players and as we can see he already has a hard enough time doing that with players that are already on our roster.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:24 am to ghost2most
No one wants to come here
Which makes building through the draft just so vitally important.
Then Griff trades off 2 of our 1sts and most of our seconds to correct the frick ups he made in 2020
Absolute shite show
Which makes building through the draft just so vitally important.
Then Griff trades off 2 of our 1sts and most of our seconds to correct the frick ups he made in 2020
Absolute shite show
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:26 am to Corporal Beavis
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Spurs had less leverage than we did and they got more for derozan. We gave up more in the Devonte trade. All we got was 2 2nds and a decent player on an expiring.
And this is why i said show your work. Cause now we know why you have a wrong conclusion. All of the info you used to reach it was wrong.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:36 am to Pelefraan 1
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Which makes building through the draft just so vitally important.
Then Griff trades off 2 of our 1sts and most of our seconds to correct the frick ups he made in 2020
Building entirely thru the draft gets you a bunch of guys like Lonzo.. decent player but hasn't quite hit his perceived ceiling before you commit to his second contract
You end up paying him $21m per and oops.. turns out 2020 was his ceiling
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:38 am to NOSHAU
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It clearly was not a below market value deal or Graham would not have signed it.
Pretty much everyone I have seen disagrees with you. There are some contract matrixes out there that are generally accurate that have it pretty far below value.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:38 am to jmcwhrter
quote:Big assumption.
You end up paying him $21m per and oops.. turns out 2020 was his ceiling
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:39 am to Pelefraan 1
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Which makes building through the draft just so vitally important.
Then Griff trades off 2 of our 1sts and most of our seconds to correct the frick ups he made in 2020
We are about to have 7 of our own draft picks on the roster. Did you want 9?
Having 7 draft picks on the roster is "building through the draft" by any perceivable metric.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:50 am to ghost2most
Signing FAs was never going to be our game. Trades has been and always be our go to route and Griff should have known that by our organization’s past history. Hell, no one was beating down the doors to play with LeBron in Cleveland either. He got lucky Kyrie was there otherwise he wouldn’t have won shite. It’s crazy how some cities and organizations are just ostracized even after seeing Giannis win one in Milwaukee, you got guys like Kendrick Nunn being a bitch and signing with the Lakers
Griff should have been more aggressive in trades and planned accordingly. I don’t blame him for swinging and missing on Tim Hardaway. Probably happened with Lowry and a bunch of others we don’t even know about. Hopefully he knows now that we need to win and we’re going to have to build through our young guys developing and by retaining our assets to attain a third star via trade next year. Hopefully, somehow, this team can make the playoffs as an 8 seed and provide Zion with a little confidence in wanting to stay. We desperately need some success next year
Griff should have been more aggressive in trades and planned accordingly. I don’t blame him for swinging and missing on Tim Hardaway. Probably happened with Lowry and a bunch of others we don’t even know about. Hopefully he knows now that we need to win and we’re going to have to build through our young guys developing and by retaining our assets to attain a third star via trade next year. Hopefully, somehow, this team can make the playoffs as an 8 seed and provide Zion with a little confidence in wanting to stay. We desperately need some success next year
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:52 am to WicKed WayZ
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Hopefully, somehow, this team can make the playoffs as an 8 seed
Should be higher than an 8.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:52 am to Fun Bunch
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We are about to have 7 of our own draft picks on the roster. Did you want 9?
Having 7 draft picks on the roster is "building through the draft" by any perceivable metric.
This is why I wasn’t all that mad after thinking about having to send the 1st for Graham (not that I still wouldn’t have rathered less). If anything I’m more aggravated by it because now we can’t use 2023 picks.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:57 am to Brettesaurus Rex
The problem with the team's direction is the thing that hurt us the most. The unrelenting obsession with competing from day 1 by bringing in a revolving door of over the hill vets at the expense of developing your draft picks has really slowed down the progression of the team. Now we were forced to use assets to get rid of them and now we may be in a position to develop the young guys but with a ton of pressure to produce and win.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 10:58 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:58 am to supe12sta12z
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The unrelenting obsession with competing from day 1
this was never the plan
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bringing in a revolving door of over the hill vets at the expense of developing your draft picks
has not occurred
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:59 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I’m not really mad at the compensation for Graham anymore. It was fair considering the upside and the cheap contract. I’m still pissed about Ball but oh well.
I still have concerns about Griff as our longterm fit. He’s gotta learn to adjust and realize free agents just aren’t going to come here unless Zion is Top 1. And even then guys might still be reluctant. He and Langdon have to adopt different strategies moving forward. They’re going to have to be more proactive than others in building our roster because we’ve been the laughing stock of the league for decades, wasting two superstars and well on our way to losing a third. There’s no goodwill here. Zion still isn’t a proven commodity to other players the way he is to us.
And even still, look at the Bucks, they built through trades too. Griff should have realized this. It took the Saints a long, long time to become a FA destination but it was building through the draft and becoming a star organization in a league full of star organizations, expertly run from top to bottom with an extensive period of winning. That’s what it will take
I still have concerns about Griff as our longterm fit. He’s gotta learn to adjust and realize free agents just aren’t going to come here unless Zion is Top 1. And even then guys might still be reluctant. He and Langdon have to adopt different strategies moving forward. They’re going to have to be more proactive than others in building our roster because we’ve been the laughing stock of the league for decades, wasting two superstars and well on our way to losing a third. There’s no goodwill here. Zion still isn’t a proven commodity to other players the way he is to us.
And even still, look at the Bucks, they built through trades too. Griff should have realized this. It took the Saints a long, long time to become a FA destination but it was building through the draft and becoming a star organization in a league full of star organizations, expertly run from top to bottom with an extensive period of winning. That’s what it will take
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:02 am to SlowFlowPro
Derrick favors, JJ Redick, Steven Adams, and Eric Bledsoe are exactly that. Retaining Holiday a year too long as well. We wanted to be young and compete at the same time. It failed miserbly. I'm talking about his entire tenure here btw.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 11:04 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:09 am to ghost2most
What he did wrong was he thought cap space was something we could use in Free Agency. When we never can here.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:16 am to supe12sta12z
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Derrick favors, JJ Redick, Steven Adams, and Eric Bledsoe
did not hinder the development of any player
were not brought in to "win now"
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 11:17 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:17 am to saints5021
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Sat on his hands in FA when Zion is already threatening to leave.
I must've missed something. Have there been any legitimate threats from Zion saying he wants to leave?
All I've seen are bullshite reports from big market teams with unnamed sources that are trying to paint an image to make them look more attractive. If there hasn't been anything from Zion or his agent's mouth then stop letting insecurities make you believe he doesn't want to play here.
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