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re: Some NOLA restaurants going to vaccine mandate for customers.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:42 am to LouisianaLady
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:42 am to LouisianaLady
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We can simultaneously accept established vaccinations being checked for schooling and reject Shiloh at the front door of a sandwich shop requesting a glorified flu shot printout.
You know, I actually agree with this....but I also know that ridiculously low vaccination rates in LA have led to crisis operations for hospitals in at least two of LA's major population centers. It's a bad time to have a heart attack in BR or Houma/Thib, or (g=d forbid) see a mass casualty event from accident or human foolishness in those places right now. So if not being able to go to a favorite place motivates someone to get vaccinated, then I don't care. To me, it's like requiring proper attire, or no-shoes-no-shirt-no-service. A business owner can impose particular rules within reason on their patrons.
Yes, the messaging has changed--because the dang virus continues to evolve and certainty isn't science (that's faith).
But we are capable of making calculated choices even in an environment of changing info. My choice to be vaccinated isn't really "how will this illness affect me?" It's more about "how will this illness potentially affect my immunocompromised 10 y o neighbor kid, or my transplant survivor co-worker, or my immunosupressed nephew" or any of the countless people who are at more risk than I.
A worldwide vaccine campaign has nearly wiped out polio, and we've managed to get rid of smallpox outside of bioweapons....wouldn't it be nice to see coronavirus & other illnesses go the same way.
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:24 am to hungryone
Well this is where people just fundamentally disagree.
Great..
So close. So you agree that this is goes against what any rational person would consider to be okay pre-Covid, but it is okay under the guise of "the greater good". Well, that's a very slippery slope there. You can slap "the greater good" on just about anything.
If the entire staff is vaccinated, and everyone coming in who is at risk and/or wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated, why not focus on themselves and not worry about what other patrons are doing?
To you, maybe. But if you can't understand that a vaccine is much, much different than not wearing shoes and a shirt to other people, I don't know what to say. As I said, the world is not black or white. People can make all the comparisons in the world, but you can simultaneously adhere to society's accepted standard of being clothed and not agree with forcing medical decisions on people to enter a restaurant.
Lots of people who are fully vaccinated and who think everyone should be vaccinated agree that this restaurant employee vaccine card bouncer BS is totally insane. This isn't some sort of anti vaxxer stance.
The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults. It increases to 25% to 75% with bulbar involvement.
^ Besides the fact that polio itself is a much different thing than a glorified flu in people of all ages, it also has a wildly different outcome.
How or why this would be compared to a respiratory illness that the vast majority of people recover from is beyond me.
Why are we looking at this in a "this or that" mindset? Covid isn't polio. People can support vaccines and even support the Covid vaccine and think this restaurant shite is completely insane.
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You know, I actually agree with this...
Great..
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if not being able to go to a favorite place motivates someone to get vaccinated, then I don't care
So close. So you agree that this is goes against what any rational person would consider to be okay pre-Covid, but it is okay under the guise of "the greater good". Well, that's a very slippery slope there. You can slap "the greater good" on just about anything.
If the entire staff is vaccinated, and everyone coming in who is at risk and/or wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated, why not focus on themselves and not worry about what other patrons are doing?
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To me, it's like requiring proper attire, or no-shoes-no-shirt-no-service. A business owner can impose particular rules within reason on their patrons.
To you, maybe. But if you can't understand that a vaccine is much, much different than not wearing shoes and a shirt to other people, I don't know what to say. As I said, the world is not black or white. People can make all the comparisons in the world, but you can simultaneously adhere to society's accepted standard of being clothed and not agree with forcing medical decisions on people to enter a restaurant.
Lots of people who are fully vaccinated and who think everyone should be vaccinated agree that this restaurant employee vaccine card bouncer BS is totally insane. This isn't some sort of anti vaxxer stance.
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A worldwide vaccine campaign has nearly wiped out polio, and we've managed to get rid of smallpox outside of bioweapons....wouldn't it be nice to see coronavirus & other illnesses go the same way.
The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults. It increases to 25% to 75% with bulbar involvement.
^ Besides the fact that polio itself is a much different thing than a glorified flu in people of all ages, it also has a wildly different outcome.
How or why this would be compared to a respiratory illness that the vast majority of people recover from is beyond me.
Why are we looking at this in a "this or that" mindset? Covid isn't polio. People can support vaccines and even support the Covid vaccine and think this restaurant shite is completely insane.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 3:43 pm to hungryone
Imagine knowing so little about science that you compare polio and small pox to covid and thinking we are going to eradicate covid with a vaccine
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