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re: Fauci’s favorite covid drug Remdesivir found to be completely ineffective
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:05 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:05 pm to lsupride87
quote:
So just to be clear
You trust the doctors when they tell you Remdesivir doesn’t work, but you don’t trust them when they tell you HCQ doesn’t work
Seems fair
Not only that, it was also a group of VA doctors who published the first popularly quoted study in the news saying that HCQ didn't work.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 7:07 pm
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:09 pm to lsupride87
IIRC, HCQ was trashed because of the Lancet Journal. They retracted their review because it was such bullshite. So were the studies they were utilizing. In short, you are using faulty data to dispute what you claim is faulty data.
I don’t get your stance.
FWIW, It is my understanding that HCQ is only affective if it is used very early in the process.
Otherwise, not so much.
Ivermectin, on the other hand, is more effective.
I can’t speak on Remdesivir concerning hard data, but I thought that I remembered Island Buckeye posting that it seemed to be effective.
I don’t get your stance.
FWIW, It is my understanding that HCQ is only affective if it is used very early in the process.
Otherwise, not so much.
Ivermectin, on the other hand, is more effective.
I can’t speak on Remdesivir concerning hard data, but I thought that I remembered Island Buckeye posting that it seemed to be effective.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:18 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:Incorrect
IIRC, HCQ was trashed because of the Lancet Journal. They retracted their review because it was such bullshite. So were the studies they were utilizing. In short, you are using faulty data to dispute what you claim is faulty data.
There has been a double blinded study from the same group in the OP, done the same way as the OP, showing the ineffectiveness of HCQ
quote:So did HCQ. Everything appears effective at first because 99% of people survive covid. So every medicine looks promising, until you get do the double blind studies with a control group
I can’t speak on Remdesivir concerning hard data, but I thought that I remembered Island Buckeye posting that it seemed to be effective.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:20 pm to TDTOM
quote:
I don’t trust anyone. They are all full of shite, and that includes you.
I definitely don’t trust VA studies.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:23 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Sounds like you didn't read your link.
quote:
In contrast, the double-blind, randomized Adaptive COVID-19 Treatment Trial (ACTT-1) linked remdesivir treatment to shorter stays in the hospital, a median 10 days vs 15 days in a placebo group.
quote:
When asked by Medscape Medical News why the VA and ACTT-1 studies yielded different results, Beigel cited two reasons. The timing was different, with the VA study starting after the remdesivir EUA was issued and ACTT-1 findings were announced
"So at that point, clinicians understood those populations most likely to benefit from remdesivir. The use of remdesivir likely did not occur at random; it was likely to be more commonly used in those who were sicker or at higher risk for poor outcomes," said Beigel, associate director for clinical research in the Division of Microbiology and Infectious Diseases at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID).
In addition, the studies evaluated very different populations, he said. The differences in median duration of hospitalization between the trials reflects this, Beigel added.
Furthermore, when asked if he thinks the new evidence should affect clinical use of remdesivir, Beigel replied, "No. Observational studies even with adjustments such as propensity score matching are not equivalent levels of proof compared to randomized trials."
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:27 pm to Zappas Stache
Uh oh
OP time to apologize to Tony?
OP time to apologize to Tony?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:29 pm to lsupride87
quote:
There has been a double blinded study from the same group in the OP, done the same way as the OP, showing the ineffectiveness of HCQ
Iirc the study noted by the Lancet involved people nearly on their last day. It was bound to fail. In short, it seemed to be a hit job.
Island Buckeye may have a better recollection.
Then the whole, HCQ will kill you came out after that study was dismissed. I mean, using shite studies to support a stance doesn’t compute for me (especially ones that seem intentionally designed to fail).
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:34 pm to lsupride87
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LINK ]
From Nov 2020 - the NIH
[quote]Abstract
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) has shown efficacy against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in some but not all studies. We hypothesized that a systematic review would show HCQ to be effective against COVID-19, more effective when provided earlier, not associated with worsening disease and safe. We searched PubMed, Cochrane, Embase, Google Scholar and Google for all reports on HCQ as a treatment for COVID-19 patients. This included preprints and preliminary reports on larger COVID-19 studies. We examined the studies for efficacy, time of administration and safety. HCQ was found to be consistently effective against COVID-19 when provided early in the outpatient setting. It was also found to be overall effective in inpatient studies. No unbiased study found worse outcomes with HCQ use. No mortality or serious safety adverse events were found. HCQ is consistently effective against COVID-19 when provided early in the outpatient setting, it is overall effective against COVID-19, it has not produced worsening of disease and it is safe.
Lastly, the studies showing its shortcomings were with HCQ alone, not as part of a cocktail.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:37 pm to Zappas Stache
quote:
Sounds like you didn't read your link.
No, frick you. You don’t get to make excuses and speculate and call that science while we can’t speculate about other potential drugs.
quote:
The use of remdesivir likely did not occur at random; it was likely to be more commonly used in those who were sicker or at higher risk for poor outcomes,
Fauci likely has a vagina. Is that an indisputable fact now?
And by the way, what’s the mortality data? Remdesivir doesn’t do shite. The whole point is their abuse and politicization of this word “science”. It’s on full display in the quote you posted.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:45 pm to lsupride87
There’s anecdotal but compelling evidence re the use of HCQ from Uganda and other interior African countries where it’s used prophylactically as an anti-malarial. Check out number of cases cases and mortality rates there.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:51 pm to BarCo49
We should be using ivermectin but they’re still sending people home with cough medicine
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:10 pm to lsupride87
quote:
So just to be clear
You trust the doctors when they tell you Remdesivir doesn’t work, but you don’t trust them when they tell you HCQ doesn’t work
Seems fair
I don't know what the hell works because I am not a doctor. I know what doesn't work, though: stifling debate and the free exchange of ideas and labeling anything you don't agree with as "misinformation". Something else that doesn't work: hitching your wagon to a supposed expert who has lied, backtracked, covered his own arse, and misled the public for the better part of his entire fricking career. That self-serving piece of shite Fauci has done frick all to help anything throughout this pandemic, yet he is held up as the damn savior by so many.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:15 am to WaWaWeeWa
I don’t really follow the COVID news that much so idk what team rooted for which drug but last fall all the Fox News loving boomers I know couldn’t stop talking about Remdesivir as the golden ticket to “live their lives” or w/e so I’m surprised to hear it’s the Fauci drug now.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:21 am to WaWaWeeWa
Trusting the science is one thing.
Unfortunately, you have to trust the media to bring us any sort of actual science.
Unfortunately, you have to trust the media to bring us any sort of actual science.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 1:41 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Remdesivir, one of the drugs Donald Trump took when he developed Covid-19, should not be used in hospitals because there is no evidence it works, the World Health Organization has advised.
The US president was an enthusiastic proponent of the drug, to the point where he boasted in July that he had bought up the world’s entire stock for Americans. The WHO’s guidelines committee, however, has said Covid patients may be better off without it.
Nov 2020
Posted on 7/16/21 at 1:43 am to smash williams
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the World Health Organization has advised.
Why are people still acting like the W.H.O. is a thing that should be listened to.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 2:25 am to LegendInMyMind
Fauci said things at the start of the pandemic that he eventually changed his opinion on as he got more information. You expect him to know everything about covid and what to do and what not to do from day one? It was something we had never seen before.
Hold Trump to the same level of criticism when he said it will be gone by Easter and was wrong then.
Hold Trump to the same level of criticism when he said it will be gone by Easter and was wrong then.
This post was edited on 7/16/21 at 2:26 am
Posted on 7/16/21 at 4:59 am to smash williams
quote:
Nov 2020
What is your point?
Trump didn’t shut down speech about possible treatments. He was enthusiastic about almost every possible treatment, but he never said people should be cancelled for discussing treatments.
I don’t care who is right or wrong.
I care that we were told over an over again the science shows that remdesivir works and these other drugs don’t so we can’t talk about them. If we do we will be kicked off Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube.
You are completely missing the point
Posted on 7/16/21 at 5:02 am to CrimsonFever
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Hold Trump to the same level of criticism when he said it will be gone by Easter and was wrong then
See my post above.
It’s not about right or wrong. It’s about everyone being able to freely discuss whatever they want.
I just find it ironic they said we can talk about remdesivir because it works but not other treatments because they don’t… and that’s “settled science”
It more about the authoritarian ways in which the left uses the word “science”, when most of the time what they preach turns out to be false anyway.
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