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New SCOTUS decision and how it affects a possible Corbin hire

Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:19 am
Posted by asullivan12
Many, LA
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:19 am
Just a bit of background. One of the reasons that many people believe would keep Corbin at Vanderbilt is the advantage that Vanderbilt could give to players in the form of academic scholarships that schools like LSU cannot. Other schools can only rely on the athletic scholarship limit to student athletes.

However, with this new SCOTUS decision, which unanimously ruled that the NCAA went too far in blocking some education-related aid for student athletes, this may create more parity in baseball. In theory, schools like Vanderbilt will no longer have a recruiting advantage over LSU. This may actually persuade Corbin to come to LSU.

Just my thoughts.

ETA: (from the opinion) "Following a bench trial, the district court issued a 50-page opinion that refused to disturb the NCAA’s rules limiting undergrad- uate athletic scholarships and other compensation related to athletic performance. At the same time, the court found unlawful and thus enjoined certain NCAA rules limiting the education-related benefits schools may make available to student-athletes."
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 11:33 am
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
43329 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:21 am to
so now 11.7 is meaningless?
Posted by asullivan12
Many, LA
Member since Nov 2015
1881 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:22 am to
I will need to read the opinion in detail, but I assume that it would provide other avenues for Athletes to obtain other educational aid, (i.e. Book scholarship, room and board, etc.)
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:22 am to
I don’t see this having as much of an effect on baseball as football and basketball.
Posted by Dro
Barrett's Barleycorn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:22 am to
My only knock on Corbs is he's 59...Me thinks Woodward wants a more long term hire, but that's imo

ETA: He'll actually be 60 in a couple weeks
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 11:28 am
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7815 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:28 am to
this ruling will have exactly zero effect on the parts you mention.


LSU can give all the academic scholly’s they want to baseball players that qualify for them.

but want Vanderbilt can do is just straight up “adjust” tuition amounts for each individual student.
State run schools can not do that.


Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36294 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:30 am to
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so now 11.7 is meaningless?


I’m guessing all these limitations will be ruled unconstitutional.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12267 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:36 am to
One of the advantages Vandy has in recruiting in baseball is that a graduate gets a degree from Vanderbilt, not Auburn, LSU, Arky or Alabama.
That does not change.
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 12:23 pm to
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One of the advantages Vandy has in recruiting in baseball is that a graduate gets a degree from Vanderbilt, not Auburn, LSU, Arky or Alabama.


Not as important in the business world anymore!
Posted by SaDub225
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2021
870 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 12:48 pm to
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but want Vanderbilt can do is just straight up “adjust” tuition amounts for each individual student. State run schools can not do that.


There are always loop holes though that can be exploited. UK basketball giving lifetime scholarships is just the first thing that comes to mind. So tbh any “good” coach; if he really wanted to win badly enough; can and will find ways around
Posted by texastigger
Member since Aug 2014
24 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 12:50 pm to
What planet do you live on? A degree from Vandy is infinitely more valuable than a degree from LSU - not only from an academic standpoint but also the connections and prestige. If my son is fortunate enough to to be looked at for college ball in a few years, and choices are between Vandy and LSU, it wouldn't require a lot of deliberation...
Posted by SaDub225
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2021
870 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 1:01 pm to
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What planet do you live on? A degree from Vandy is infinitely more valuable than a degree from LSU - not only from an academic standpoint but also the connections and prestige. If my son is fortunate enough to to be looked at for college ball in a few years, and choices are between Vandy and LSU, it wouldn't require a lot of deliberation...


While this is true and all; imo, if your son is good enough to play college ball somewhere, then he most likely has formed many “connections” and “shaken a lot of hands” in his journey. So at that point wouldn’t a degree from anywhere, really; all be equivalent. I mean we all know (unless you’ve lived under a rock or are super naive) that in the real world it’s all about WHO you know and not WHAT you know… and a degree kind of just becomes a piece of paper… what you think? That’s just my opinion though. The real thing of value for your son won’t be which school he went to; but that he was able to be a part of the sport with the most influential “good old boys club”.
Posted by texastigger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 1:30 pm to
If you're throwing who you know into the equation then that would definitely take LSU out of the equation don't you think? I can't think of too many advantages offered by the good old boys club of LA as compared to a Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Stanford or even Vandy. Look, I love LSU, but I think my degree from Vandy has opened a few more doors.

Baseball is a fickle sport and the chances of a kid getting drafted are slim, with the percentages of making it to the show and getting paid even more remote. Hence making the network that you speak of that much more important when it's time to find a real job.

My son is fortunate to train with some big time coaches and he works with several MLB/MiLB players in the off-season. Most of the MiLB guys struggle financially, and I guess seeing that firsthand can really change one's perspective.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 1:38 pm to
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not Auburn, LSU, Arky or Alabama.


uhh a degree from Auburn is significantly, albeit subjectively, "better" than the other three here.

Shoulda gone with Ole Miss or State instead of Aubie Aids.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 1:39 pm
Posted by texastigger
Member since Aug 2014
24 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:00 pm to
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uhh a degree from Auburn is significantly, albeit subjectively, "better" than the other three here.

Shoulda gone with Ole Miss or State instead of Aubie Aids.


Very true. I guess I've already hijacked this thread so I'll keep going. My oldest daughter is very gifted academically and it's sad but LSU doesn't even sniff her top ten list. We recently toured several colleges and I hate to say it, but Auburn and even Alabama are levels ahead of LSU. Our tour of LSU's campus was a joke.

It's sad that the good old boy network that is touted has done nothing but hurt LSU and, to an even greater extent, LA. I grew up in BR, went to LSU for my undergrad and at this point, I don't think you could pay me to move back.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81781 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

A degree from Vandy is infinitely more valuable than a degree from LSU
Posted by SaDub225
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2021
870 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

If you're throwing who you know into the equation then that would definitely take LSU out of the equation don't you think? I can't think of too many advantages offered by the good old boys club of LA as compared to a Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Stanford or even Vandy. Look, I love LSU, but I think my degree from Vandy has opened a few more doors.


Lol. For sure that those other schools probably have an advantage over lsu; but imo I wouldn’t say “takes them out of the equation”… I think you might be underestimating how many people want to be affiliated with a successful/winning program and coach… and what I mean by that is; I wouldn’t put it past old Skip; just how connected he probably is; and how many people would jump at the opportunity to do a solid for one of the most respected programs in college. You know what I mean? Like I’m sure if you play ball at Texas; (putting my personal disdain aside lol) you are probably set for life… if you are/were good…. I don’t know lol this is honestly just my opinion. I mean I guess it really would depend on what your son wants to study and/or do in life after ball. Like I’m not saying jsut bc he played ball then he’s going to be guaranteed to be a millionaire thanks to the boys; but I know (in La at least) that if you were a good player for lsu; but just didn’t cut it MiLB; you could always come home and have a job at a number of different companies, solely based on your name and people remembering you played. You know what I mean; does that make sense? And that comes just from being a part of the team. Let me give you a reason or example of why I have this opinion…. I know like 3 guys personally that played in the MiLB but never made any money from it and deff didn’t go to the show. 1 of those dudes works for a big beer distribution company here in BR. And he started off pretty high up the ladder; and eventually got promoted up to “big dog status” in said company. He would have gotten that job degree or no degree. The second dude works for a big name soda company; and he has ridden his name to a high 6 figure, cushy company position in Atlanta where the corporate offices are located. He wasn’t the smartest guy in the world either but he was smart enough to use his connections. He started as a measly salesman, but everyone already knew him from baseball so all his accounts pretty much “printed money” and the company just kept rewarding/promoting him… the third dude; well he did the usual private camps and lessons; coach a travel ball team, type route. And even though I honestly have no clue how much he makes; I’d say he probably lives a fairly comfortable life….
Sorry for such a long arse post lol but the point I’m trying to convey is like; all of those examples made me realize that a degree really doesn’t seem to matter much at all, much less which school that degree is from, and depending on the type of career your son wants; it could actually be more beneficial to stay and play for the hometown team… but of course; if your son wants to be like a doctor or engineer or whatever, one of those type careers where a degree is essential; then for sure a vandy or Stanford type education is the way to go… I’m speaking more so for the types of kids that put all their chips into baseball and then fail; or the ones that don’t really know what they want to do in life after baseball.
This N.I.L. stuff that is about to happen in college athletics; only reaffirms my opinion that a degree is becoming less and less valuable… what do you think? I think we’re going to see more student athletes trying to focus on building “their own brand” while in college instead of the education/degree aspect. Congrats on/to your boy though; hope he stays healthy and has a bright future.
Posted by texastigger
Member since Aug 2014
24 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:02 pm to
I hear what you are saying and it makes sense and I know exactly what you are talking about. I know several former baseball players that are "financial advisors" and I use that term loosely. I just know how closely schools like A&M and Notre Dame stick up for their alums (I was offered a full-time job after just interviewing at Notre Dame). It definitely changes the conversation if you're all in though.

And thank you regarding my son. He's still young but is posting some crazy EV numbers. We're just fortunate to be nearby a prominent training facility here in TX which allows him to train with some very elite coaches and players. It gives me a chance to see what it's like on the other side of the equation and it makes you realize just how fortunate you have to be to make it the Show.
Posted by SaDub225
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2021
870 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 4:09 pm to
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and it makes you realize just how fortunate you have to be to make it the Show.


Yeah it really is like an extremely hard feat to accomplish. And I would even venture out and say (as politically correctly I can) that making the show nowadays is even more rare than in the past. The money and investments that teams are putting into their international player development divisions is insane. And it shows. An American kid can’t even fathom, much less compete with; the training and development these Dominican and Spanish kids receive. Remember a couple years ago that highly touted pitcher (can’t remember his name) that signed with the A’s; and he had never even thrown a pitch in a live ball game before…. The have schools dedicated to and non stop training for these potential prospects with the sole purpose of getting them to the show.. they don’t even play games they just train and train and train. It’s insane. If MLB keeps trending in the direction it is now; in a few years, we might possibly see a predominantly Hispanic MLB…
Posted by texastigger
Member since Aug 2014
24 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 4:58 pm to
Fortunately, we aren't there yet, but yes, it's a whole different level in the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Cuba, etc. For many of those kids it is their only way out of poverty. There is a local coach, who I know well, that just took his HS teams to spend a week in Puerto Rico and it looks like a great experience.

Houston has a few schools now that are primarily sports only. I think it's a half day of learning and then the rest is sport specific training. Nothing like the IMG Academy in Florida though. You might be shocked at how much these kids train around here. I had almost given up on millenials' work ethic until I started paying attention to these kids training a few years ago. I am also stunned by the number of HS kids that fly into train and work with local coaches - definitely eye opening...
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