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re: The “journalist” that Belarus brought in on the flight is a propagandist
Posted on 5/23/21 at 11:20 pm to TheHarahanian
Posted on 5/23/21 at 11:20 pm to TheHarahanian
When you see who is most upset over this completely based action, you know it was the right move by Belarus.
He was running a Telegram channel against the government entitled “Belamova.” He was pushing US State Department talking points regarding the 2020 Belarusian election and the immediate need to overthrow the government of Alexander Lukashenko and install an EU-run dictatorship. Protasevich has worked with various US State Department operations, including RFE/RL.
He was running a Telegram channel against the government entitled “Belamova.” He was pushing US State Department talking points regarding the 2020 Belarusian election and the immediate need to overthrow the government of Alexander Lukashenko and install an EU-run dictatorship. Protasevich has worked with various US State Department operations, including RFE/RL.
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Posted on 5/23/21 at 11:23 pm to cwill
This post was edited on 5/23/21 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:23 am to IceFrogBC
Words like yours sure make it look like you don't love America. But at the very least, it's safe to say you don't love democracy & don't love liberty.
Granted, if the US had similarly detected an opportunity to grab Edward Snowden from his asylum in Russia, it would have acted in much the same manner. Because such an act is piracy when US adversaries do it, but not piracy when it's carried out under the imprimatur of US law (as when Canada apprehended Meng Wangzhou at US behest while she was en route to Mexico).
That said, this is certainly a chilling display of a dictator's power & reach. To all the activists wanted by Belarussian authorities, Lukashenko has made it abundantly clear that while the EU may grant them asylum, it can't protect them. Well, maybe the EU can issue a sternly worded letter if all 27 countries agree on it, but probably not, since Hungary's strongman Viktor Orban will have Lukashenko's back.
Granted, if the US had similarly detected an opportunity to grab Edward Snowden from his asylum in Russia, it would have acted in much the same manner. Because such an act is piracy when US adversaries do it, but not piracy when it's carried out under the imprimatur of US law (as when Canada apprehended Meng Wangzhou at US behest while she was en route to Mexico).
That said, this is certainly a chilling display of a dictator's power & reach. To all the activists wanted by Belarussian authorities, Lukashenko has made it abundantly clear that while the EU may grant them asylum, it can't protect them. Well, maybe the EU can issue a sternly worded letter if all 27 countries agree on it, but probably not, since Hungary's strongman Viktor Orban will have Lukashenko's back.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:40 am to IceFrogBC
quote:Belarus is the last bastion of Stalinism in Europe. It doesn't make "right" moves.
you know it was the right move by Belarus.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:28 am to TheHarahanian
Looking at this guys bio, he worked for Radio Free Europe, and helped organize protests via a Telegram channel. He was working to overthrow the government. And he works for the CIA, either knowingly or unknowingly.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:01 am to cwill
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This doesn’t track with your OP pal. That being said supporting free speech isn’t or shouldn’t be driven by the political leanings of the gov in power.
How so?
US Marxists don’t like public criticism, so they grew a vast propaganda network and have been hammering the few non-propaganda members 24x7 for years.
The Belarus Pres doesn’t like public criticism, so he seized an offender..
US Marxists condemn the seizure of the propaganda operative and use their vast propaganda network to broadcast that. I’m sure the Belarus Pres hates the public criticism.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 6:09 am
Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:26 am to TheHarahanian
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In fact, I am.
You apparently believe that supporting the propaganda media is supporting free speech.
It doesn't appear that you do support free speech, actually, as propaganda would be included in any definition, since every thing in the media can be written off as propaganda.
Regardless, the Belorussian government forcing a plane to land when it was passing over its airspace is unprecedented, and should be condemned, regardless of the journalist's affiliation. The Trump administration would almost certainly condemn this action too.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:35 am to crazy4lsu
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It doesn't appear that you do support free speech, actually, as propaganda would be included in any definition, since every thing in the media can be written off as propaganda.
Did I write that propaganda should be suppressed? I don’t remember writing that.
I wrote that supporting the propaganda media is not synonymous with supporting free speech.
It pleases me when marxists go after each other.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 6:40 am
Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:48 am to TheHarahanian
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I wrote that supporting the propaganda media is not synonymous with supporting free speech.
It's okay. You aren't a free speech maximalist. Few people are. "Free speech for everyone but progandaists" isn't free speech unfortunately. Just admit your position and move on. You seem quite on the side of the authoritarians here.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:53 am to crazy4lsu
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Just admit your position and move on. You seem quite on the side of the authoritarians here.
I stated my position, and again you ignored it to go with your own assumption.
It pleases me that marxists are going after each other.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:03 am to TheHarahanian
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I stated my position, and again you ignored it to go with your own assumption.
It pleases me that marxists are going after each other.
Lol. And you end up on the side of the last Stalinist regime in Europe. Nicely done.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:03 am to crazy4lsu
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And you end up on the side of the last Stalinist regime in Europe. Nicely done.
And you end up making an accusation that isn’t supported by anything I’ve posted.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:38 am to TheHarahanian
EDITED TO FIT TIGERDROPPINGS RULES -
Who Is Roman Protasevich, the Captive Journalist in Belarus?
By Neil Vigdor and Ivan Nechepurenko
Updated May 24, 2021, 8:12 a.m. ET
It has all of the elements of a Jason Bourne plot: A commercial flight carrying a dissident journalist is intercepted by a MiG-29 fighter jet under orders from the strongman president of Belarus. This protagonist is very much real. His name is Roman Protasevich, and on Sunday, he drew worldwide attention because the Belarusian government and its authoritarian leader went to extraordinary lengths to stop him.
Mr. Protasevich, 26, was traveling by commercial airline from Athens to Vilnius, Lithuania, when the Belarusian air force scrambled a fighter jet. The flight, on the Irish airline Ryanair, was diverted to Minsk, the capital of Belarus, where the millennial opposition figure was taken into custody. The widely condemned tactic was the latest attempt by Aleksandr G. Lukashenko, the country’s authoritarian leader, to suppress the influential voice of Mr. Protasevich.
Why is the government so fixated on Mr. Protasevich? There are few remaining sources of independent news in Belarus, where most media outlets were forced to shut down after widespread protests over a disputed presidential election in 2020. He fled the country in 2019, fearing arrest. But he has continued to roil Mr. Lukashenko’s regime while living in exile in Lithuania, so much so that he was charged in November with inciting public disorder and social hatred.
As a teenager, Mr. Protasevich became a dissident, first drawing scrutiny from law enforcement. He was expelled from a prestigious school for participating in a protest rally in 2011. Mr. Lukashenko, who is often referred to as “Europe’s last dictator,” personally ordered the fighter jet to escort the Ryanair plane to the Minsk airport after a bomb threat, his press service said. According to the statement, Mr. Lukashenko, an ally of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, gave an “unequivocal order” to “make the plane do a U-turn and land.” No bomb was found on board, the country’s law enforcement authorities said.
What kind of punishment is he facing? The government’s main security agency in Belarus, called the K.G.B., placed Mr. Protasevich’s name on a list of terrorists. If he is accused and convicted of terrorism, he could face the death penalty.
Who Is Roman Protasevich, the Captive Journalist in Belarus?
By Neil Vigdor and Ivan Nechepurenko
Updated May 24, 2021, 8:12 a.m. ET
It has all of the elements of a Jason Bourne plot: A commercial flight carrying a dissident journalist is intercepted by a MiG-29 fighter jet under orders from the strongman president of Belarus. This protagonist is very much real. His name is Roman Protasevich, and on Sunday, he drew worldwide attention because the Belarusian government and its authoritarian leader went to extraordinary lengths to stop him.
Mr. Protasevich, 26, was traveling by commercial airline from Athens to Vilnius, Lithuania, when the Belarusian air force scrambled a fighter jet. The flight, on the Irish airline Ryanair, was diverted to Minsk, the capital of Belarus, where the millennial opposition figure was taken into custody. The widely condemned tactic was the latest attempt by Aleksandr G. Lukashenko, the country’s authoritarian leader, to suppress the influential voice of Mr. Protasevich.
Why is the government so fixated on Mr. Protasevich? There are few remaining sources of independent news in Belarus, where most media outlets were forced to shut down after widespread protests over a disputed presidential election in 2020. He fled the country in 2019, fearing arrest. But he has continued to roil Mr. Lukashenko’s regime while living in exile in Lithuania, so much so that he was charged in November with inciting public disorder and social hatred.
As a teenager, Mr. Protasevich became a dissident, first drawing scrutiny from law enforcement. He was expelled from a prestigious school for participating in a protest rally in 2011. Mr. Lukashenko, who is often referred to as “Europe’s last dictator,” personally ordered the fighter jet to escort the Ryanair plane to the Minsk airport after a bomb threat, his press service said. According to the statement, Mr. Lukashenko, an ally of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, gave an “unequivocal order” to “make the plane do a U-turn and land.” No bomb was found on board, the country’s law enforcement authorities said.
What kind of punishment is he facing? The government’s main security agency in Belarus, called the K.G.B., placed Mr. Protasevich’s name on a list of terrorists. If he is accused and convicted of terrorism, he could face the death penalty.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/24/21 at 11:15 am to TheHarahanian
I will admit to not knowing the ins-and-outs, but why would anyone think forcefully bringing down an airliner to arrest a journalist because you don't like his writings is acceptable? Now, if he's actively trying to raise insurrections, to me he really isn't a journalist. He's an activist/terrorist.
As far as our governmental reaction to it, they will try to act like they support the journalist because it's not critical of them. Our current governmental leaders have no problem with suppressing voices here at home if they don't jive with them. It's all a show.
As far as our governmental reaction to it, they will try to act like they support the journalist because it's not critical of them. Our current governmental leaders have no problem with suppressing voices here at home if they don't jive with them. It's all a show.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 11:16 am
Posted on 5/24/21 at 11:28 am to TheHarahanian
quote:
The “journalist” that Belarus brought in on the flight is a propagandist
A lot of NFL players are athletes.
And I've heard almost all prostitutes are loose women.
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