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re: Klipsch subs vs. SVS and Def. Tech subs
Posted on 4/13/21 at 12:42 pm to Marco Esquandolas
Posted on 4/13/21 at 12:42 pm to Marco Esquandolas
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Please enlighten me...I’m all ears (and please provide me with the lowdown on this subwoofer discovery of yours so I can correct my mistake ASAP!).
Thanks in advance!
What would you like to know? Do you really want me to provide you links/data showing you could get much more sub for the same or less money as your SVS subs? What would you do with such info? If you like your SVS subs you should stick to them and not research other options. The path can be quite addictive.
You can find plenty of data at your fingertips between sites like data-bass.com, audioholics, etc. Audioholics does full CEA measurements on pretty much every SVS sub that comes out. They all measure good compared to mass produced subs like Klipsch, Polk, etc. but you won't find any favorable data compared to the ID subs.
But please, start with the questions first and I will happily point you towards the research starting points.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 12:43 pm
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:44 pm to MDB
quote:I would fix the issue and keep the subs.
Question, would you again fix the issue and keep the subs; fix the issues and sell the subs; or sell the subs as is (one working, one not) and purchase new ones.
With that said, if you want to upgrade now... or in the future, I agree with notsince98.
quote:All of these are good brands, and you'd be happy with any of them.
Stick to subs by Power Sound Audio, Rythmik, JTR, Funk as your first level subs. If you can't find what you want from them check with monolith, HSU and SVS.
I went through the process 2 years ago.
I ended up going with PSA. IMO it was the best combination of performance and value.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 3:10 pm to MDB
I just added a PB1000 pro. It's pretty nice. Other subs are Definitive BP7001sc speakers with built in subs. One of them went out so I replaced it with the SVS. I would buy another. Great company also. Definitive is alot slower to respond to problems.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:03 pm to MDB
As noted earlier, you need an uninterruptable power source that supplies juice to your equipment for 30-60 minutes if you keep having surges and power outages. $130 - $150 usually will get you a unit with 4 UPS battery slots + 4-6 regular slots, I've had some that lasted 7 years on an original battery and you can buy replacement batteries pretty cheap. Have no idea why people don't use these for expensive computer and AV setups as they are cheap insurance.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:50 pm to notsince98
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Audioholics does full CEA measurements on pretty much every SVS sub that comes out
Audio 101...we don’t buy transducers to listen to measurements and test tone/sine waves.
Numerous super/hyper cars put up better performance numbers across the board when compared to the 911, yet the 4.0 six-cylinder 911 keeps on claiming the top spot at the Ring. Why is that? Is the 911 a beginner’s performance car?
Your statement calling SVS a “beginner” sub line is moronic and without merit—based on your reading specs and measurements presented by a home theater enthusiast who made a career with a YouTube channel.
Did you perform listening sessions in your current environment (using music, not test tones) for all the subs you stated were superior, and then draw your own conclusions? (No need to answer—I already know the answer to that).
For the record, I chose a pair of SVS SB-16 ($2500/ea.) over the REL Acoustics no. 25 ($7500/ea.), JL Audio Gotham ($12,000/ea.), and Focal Sub Utopia EM ($15,000/ea.), all of which I have listened to extensively paired with my system (thanks 3mA Audio!). Those subs would probably be classified as, using your terminology, “non-beginner” subwoofers.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:57 pm to notsince98
notsince98, I appreciate your contribution to this thread.
I haven't been in the market for a sub for several years now, so my info and opinions are perhaps a little outdated.
I scoured the internet for all things sub-related and was a regular reader at audioholics.com for a good while, and wound up settling on a SVS PB12-Plus subwoofer (to replace an entry-level NHT sub that crapped out). I haad narrowed my choices down to SVS and HSU. I can't say enough good things about this SVS sub. Audioholics gave it a great review as well. I paid between 1200-1500 for it...I can't recall, but this unit has been fantastic. Whether we are streaming Pandora while cooking, or watching a movie, this unit really performs.
You and I apparently value high quality sound, and want to help others make informed decisions as they pursue the same. I am simply here to defend the SVS products as much more than beginner components as you have described them, as I have already been there, and am quite happy with this SVS product.
I haven't been in the market for a sub for several years now, so my info and opinions are perhaps a little outdated.
I scoured the internet for all things sub-related and was a regular reader at audioholics.com for a good while, and wound up settling on a SVS PB12-Plus subwoofer (to replace an entry-level NHT sub that crapped out). I haad narrowed my choices down to SVS and HSU. I can't say enough good things about this SVS sub. Audioholics gave it a great review as well. I paid between 1200-1500 for it...I can't recall, but this unit has been fantastic. Whether we are streaming Pandora while cooking, or watching a movie, this unit really performs.
You and I apparently value high quality sound, and want to help others make informed decisions as they pursue the same. I am simply here to defend the SVS products as much more than beginner components as you have described them, as I have already been there, and am quite happy with this SVS product.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 1:47 am to notsince98
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The biggest difference comes with output <30Hz which then in turn depends on room size.
No.
The difference is resonant frequency tuning, and the ability of the sealed cabinet to act as a vacuum (negative pressure in the cabinet) after the cone’s excursion, to help pull it back in, and as an air piston (positive pressure) when the cone is in the innermost position to push it back out...all of which aids in less “overhang”, thus resulting in tighter low end, less smear, and better timing. It also reduces strain on an amplifier as the motor is not working as hard to start and stop, so an amplifier with a lower damping factor can be used.
FWIW
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:06 am to Marco Esquandolas
It seems like he confused output with standing waves which are affected by room dimensions but can also be overcome by a) sub placement and b) the use of multiple subs.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:37 pm to MDB
Well, I went ahead and bought a pair of SVS SB-3000s (sealed) for my den/entertainment center. Will set them up today and tomorrow. I’m hardly a beginner but don’t have the cash to build the type system some of you advocate for. If the SVS pair don’t cut it, then I’ll look a little higher but $2K on subs ain’t cheap.
Next week I am replacing my on-the-wall surrounds with in-wall Sonance (dual 6.5) and rears with Sonance (single 6.5). These too will settle in around $1600.
Then — if I’m granted permission by this board — will add a pair of Bowers & Wilkins 603 S2s with the matching center. Another $2K or so but am also considering Martin Logan of similar quality.
Right now I have huge Klipsch RF-7 IIs floors but the wife says I have to downsize a bit and get the old big black speakers off the den walls.
By the way, I’m 71 and a Vietnam combat vet so my hearing isn’t at audiophile levels anymore but I still know quality sound when I hear it.
Next week I am replacing my on-the-wall surrounds with in-wall Sonance (dual 6.5) and rears with Sonance (single 6.5). These too will settle in around $1600.
Then — if I’m granted permission by this board — will add a pair of Bowers & Wilkins 603 S2s with the matching center. Another $2K or so but am also considering Martin Logan of similar quality.
Right now I have huge Klipsch RF-7 IIs floors but the wife says I have to downsize a bit and get the old big black speakers off the den walls.
By the way, I’m 71 and a Vietnam combat vet so my hearing isn’t at audiophile levels anymore but I still know quality sound when I hear it.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:42 pm to VABuckeye
My den is 19x21x8 for about 3200 cu feet. I’ll be running two SVS SB-3000s.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:44 pm to MDB
I've been intrigued by the Martin Logan 40ti and 60ti. The 40ti fall squarely in your price range.
I used to have B&W speakers and enjoyed them until I went with a full in-wall setup (Triad Speakers) for my theater. Now I've scaled down and I have Dynaudio Special 40's with an 18" Triad Platinum sub with a 1000 watt amp in it.
I think you're going to love those dual SVS subs. Enjoy!
I used to have B&W speakers and enjoyed them until I went with a full in-wall setup (Triad Speakers) for my theater. Now I've scaled down and I have Dynaudio Special 40's with an 18" Triad Platinum sub with a 1000 watt amp in it.
I think you're going to love those dual SVS subs. Enjoy!
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:35 pm to VABuckeye
My wife forbid the "big black box" in the living room.
So my main speakers are a pair of Golden Ear Triton 1.Rs. They are like almost 5 feet tall. Real inconspicuous
They have three 5x9 Long-Throw Quadratic Reference Subwoofers coupled to: Four 7x10 Quadratic Planar Infrasonic Radiators
They each have a 1600 Watt amp on board with dedicated LFE input.
I was still worried about what the bass would be like and I was shocked. Those things go extremely low and can shake the walls of the whole house. I have knocked pictures off the walls
So my main speakers are a pair of Golden Ear Triton 1.Rs. They are like almost 5 feet tall. Real inconspicuous
They have three 5x9 Long-Throw Quadratic Reference Subwoofers coupled to: Four 7x10 Quadratic Planar Infrasonic Radiators
They each have a 1600 Watt amp on board with dedicated LFE input.
I was still worried about what the bass would be like and I was shocked. Those things go extremely low and can shake the walls of the whole house. I have knocked pictures off the walls
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:06 pm to Marco Esquandolas
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Audio 101...we don’t buy transducers to listen to measurements and test tone/sine waves.
Numerous super/hyper cars put up better performance numbers across the board when compared to the 911, yet the 4.0 six-cylinder 911 keeps on claiming the top spot at the Ring. Why is that? Is the 911 a beginner’s performance car?
Sincerely don't want to derail the thread, but your example here is fascinating to me.
Let me make a couple of statements I think are true, then continue.
1. Quality measurements are helpful and can tell you a lot about a speaker.
2. Measurements can get you about 80% of the way to finding a speaker you want/don't want.
Your quote above is interesting because it's really comparing two different kinds of tests. 0-60, braking distance, etc. Are one kind. The 'ring is just a different test, really.
Having seen the Audioholics measurements mentioned, the SVS and Monolith sub comparison didn't have huge difference in output. The extra SVS features probably make them easier to dial in, too.
If the SVS rolled off starting at 30 Hz, then yeah, they could be called 'beginner subs' based on measurements and I'm betting your ears would agree.
OP would do well with SVS, Rhythmik, Hsu, and several others mentioned here.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:11 pm to GDDGEE
Odd first post
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:19 pm to SG_Geaux
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Odd first post
Well... Odd is kind of my thing, I guess.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:26 pm to VABuckeye
I think the dual SVS will be just fine in my space and the Sonance in-walls will solve the wife issues
My main concern right now is choosing the front mains and center. I currently have really nice Klipsch RF-7 IIs and matching RC-64 IIs center. But I need to go down in size ... like from the 49 inches tall now down to less than 40 inches.
Several lines fill the bill in height ... B&W, KEF and MartinLogans. Older ears really need/want clarity in midrange, highs and am hoping the dual SVS will do the heavy bass lifting.
My main concern right now is choosing the front mains and center. I currently have really nice Klipsch RF-7 IIs and matching RC-64 IIs center. But I need to go down in size ... like from the 49 inches tall now down to less than 40 inches.
Several lines fill the bill in height ... B&W, KEF and MartinLogans. Older ears really need/want clarity in midrange, highs and am hoping the dual SVS will do the heavy bass lifting.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:53 pm to MDB
My den is 29 ft long x 21 ft wide x 9 ft 10 inches high for a total of about 5,988 cubic feet, which on the far end, opens up to a reasonably sized kitchen. (so not a totally enclosed listening area or man cave).
My one SVS PB 12-plus sub with one 12 inch driver, 3 ports, and 800+ watts moves my room just fine. You should be very satisfied with those 2 SVS subs. Good Luck!
My one SVS PB 12-plus sub with one 12 inch driver, 3 ports, and 800+ watts moves my room just fine. You should be very satisfied with those 2 SVS subs. Good Luck!
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 11:21 pm to MDB
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Several lines fill the bill in height ... B&W, KEF and MartinLogans. Older ears really need/want clarity in midrange, highs and am hoping the dual SVS will do the heavy bass lifting.
Check out GoldenEar Triton
Posted on 4/16/21 at 1:46 am to GDDGEE
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Your quote above is interesting because it's really comparing two different kinds of tests. 0-60, braking distance, etc.
I never mentioned 0-60 or braking distance...I wrote ‘performance numbers’...you interpreted that to mean 0-60 and braking distance.
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