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re: Majority of Americans remain religious despite less than 50% attending church...
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:31 pm to armtackledawg
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:31 pm to armtackledawg
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Those that call themselves religious but don't go to Church will have children that are not religious and do not go to Church
Ehh I don’t have kids but if I did I would take them to church to learn and make friends. You only know what you believe in after being educated. From there you make your own decisions.
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:32 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
I believe that many people just lost faith in the Church due to the corruption of the church by man. Today, most churches worship only one God - the almighty dollar.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:33 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
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The problem is that most churches do not follow the teachings of Christ. You do not need a church to have a relationship with God. Read the Bible and seek Him with all your heart.
I agree with your point, you can have a relationship with God without going to Church, and in many ways Church shouldn’t be the only place you think about God.
But at-least as a Catholic I believe Church is a necessary part of our faith. Where do you receive the sacraments? In a Church. Where do you go to confession? In a Church. Where do you receive Jesus in the Eucharist (unless you are Homebond) In a church.
If you remove the sacraments from the faith than I guess you could say you don’t need a church. But for me as a Catholic going to my parish church is important because that is where I receive the sacraments.
I guess one other thing, having a place to gather is good in itself. We as Catholic believe the Church building is holy, not in the same level as God but it is set apart.
Anyway just my two cents. If the trend continues where people call themselves religious but don’t go to church, the religious culture of many of our towns and cities will disappear.
Edit: Will this get by the no religion on TD test?
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:50 pm to RollTide1987
That means 70% of people believe in something for which there is absolutely no evidence.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:03 pm to catholictigerfan
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Where do you receive the sacraments? In a Church.
Well, Christ was baptized in the River Jordan and the Bible doesn't mention confirmation. It does however mention the Lord's Supper. It says not to eat it when gathered together.
1 Corinthians 11:20-22
20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
Christ is our propitiation. We do not need a priest to forgive our sins. He does not have the power to do so. Only God can and the only way to the Father is through the son. Jesus never preached to do penance. He never said to pray 3 Hail Mary's as punishment and atonement for what you did.
I'm not trying to bash your faith. It's just not aligned with my faith as a follower of Christ.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:06 pm to RollTide1987
I avoid organized religion that misrepresent. Happens to be a lot. What happened in New Testament against Jesus has widely spread, pretty crazy we were warned yet so many are currupted with the same lies as they were then today. But i love finding a brother and sister and making our own temple.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:15 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
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BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Thanks for the comments
I’m fairly strong in my Catholic Faith and I would love to discuss this you but I don’t want to derail the thread.
Happy Easter!!!! He is Risen!
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:44 pm to RollTide1987
Covid church sucks. I hate having to wear a mask for over an hour, indoors, distanced six-feet apart with no communion. F$&k that nonsense. I’d rather not go.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:55 pm to Turnaroundtiger
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That means 70% of people believe in something for which there is absolutely no evidence.
1st. It's historical fact.
2nd. We can't know everything so we all use faith to make our judgments
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:09 pm to armtackledawg
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Those that call themselves religious but don't go to Church will have children that are not religious and do not go to Church
I agree with you, and if I had a family I would want to make sure they were properly brought up in the church. Problem is finding the right fit. So many going woke today.
I'd like to find a traditional old school one like I grew up in, but with a Pastor that is able to have sermons that bring in today's issues, like my current pastor. Why I mostly just watch the sermons when they are posted online.
Ohhhhhh anything wrong with singing some old school hymns from time to time??
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:16 pm to timdonaghyswhistle
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A Church is people, not a building. God doesn't need shelter.
He may not need shelter but God absolutely takes up residence by his Holy Spirit in each individual Christian. We are his Tabernacle here on earth, individually and collectively. Individual Christians are each members of Christ's body, his Church. As his body, his Church, we assemble together collectively, generally at a minimum weekly, to worship, pray, and celebrate holy communion. Usually in a building of some sort, even if it's someone's home. Your post suggests there may be something inherently wrong with a group of Christians meeting in a building.
As you say the people are the Church, not the physical building. But there's nothing wrong implied or forbidden in holy scripture respecting buildings sanctified for Christian assembly and worship.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:35 pm to kingbob
You cannot serve two masters. Either God or Government. When government takes away your God given freedoms, your DUTY is to rebel. When your church complies with government prohibitions against your freely exercised worship, it is trying to serve two masters.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:41 pm to RollTide1987
My kids have sports all day Saturday and Sundays. During Sept to January I watch football. Most Americans, on salary, work 50-60 hours a week. 30 years ago most worked 40. They just want to relax on weekends. This is why people don’t attend church as much. Doesn’t mean they are less religious.
I do believe that every day the percentage of religious people declines because school, news, and the Media is against it. I still believe that a lot of people believe though.
I do believe that every day the percentage of religious people declines because school, news, and the Media is against it. I still believe that a lot of people believe though.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:05 pm to Nevada
My problem is finding a church that isn’t sucking the government’s fear boner or headed by a predatory opportunistic charlatan.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:06 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The huge religious gap between white democrats and black democrats is astounding.
less than half of white democrats believe jesus rose from the dead.
Who gives a frick.
Jesus was immortal. He never died. He never rose. He came down, hung out for 33 years, took about 3 days of pain, and went back to cozy heaven.
It blows my mind that Christians think that’s some kind of sacrifice.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:43 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
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The Bible teaches against denominations. It calls all of Christ's followers to be of one mind.
I was not recommending, supporting or defending denominations only noting that some have totally abandoned core Christian beliefs and teachings. Holy scripture may teach against denominations. The call to be of one mind is a good place to start. But the condemnation of denominations was not your original point.
Two and three gathered together and the disciples sent out two by two aren't an issue because I'm not criticizing them, also see nothing wrong with them. And they don't defend or support your original comment.
quote:He never said anything against it either. And the Apostles that he entrusted with teaching and guiding his Church went with Sunday as the Resurrection and the day to worship and celebrate our salvation.
Jesus never said it had to be in a building every Sunday with a large group.
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You do not need a church to have a relationship with God.
This was your original point. You claim a church is unnecessary to a Christian's relationship with Jesus.
Some fledgling Christian might jump on that and justify trying to go the Christian walk alone, just them, Jesus, and their Bible. Too many hypocrites in the Church. Sermon is too long or too short or too hard on sin. Jesus is about feeling good about myself not all that self examination and repentance. I can worship Jesus just as easily in my home on Sunday and skip all the stuff I don't like or understand. BeNotDeceivedGal6_7 said it's okay.
That person going it alone has as much chance as an out of formation B-17 that's being shot to pieces by the FW-190s and ME-109s.
It's Christ's Church. He created it. He's its head. He has overseers and shepherds in place to guide and teach their flocks and he expects the Christian faith to be lived out as active members of his body, the Church.
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Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hebrews 10: 23-25
I'm encouraging and exhorting you. Get with a good body of Believers and jump in whole hog if you haven't done so already.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:48 pm to RollTide1987
Republicans would be far more successful if they would openly embrace Christian principles. Trump was the greatest defender of religious liberties in decades, and that got him such a high vote total that the Dems had to obviously cheat in order to defeat him.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:17 am to RollTide1987
I refuse to link it, but LA Times had a revolting OP ED piece it published a few days back that said that godlessness in America was a good thing. Being subjected to these people’s emptiness has me thinking what it must be like to be in the dark, empty, and lonely frigid cold of deep space where the only light you see is from stars that are many many light years away.
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