re: Les Miles ranked #4

quote:

---

Russell (1st rounder) + Bowe (1st rounder) + Davis (1st rounder) = 3 pts vs Auburn

---

thanks les

quote:

---

Tressel has just as many BCS championships as anybody else (1) and has been there more often than anybody else (3 times).

---

Actually, he has not been there more than anyone else. Stoops has been there the same number of times (3), and won just as many (1).

quote:

---

I mean, think about it: He's been head coach for 7 years and he's been to the BCS title game 3 times.

---

In 2005, the same thing could have been said about Bob Stoops, except he had been to the BCS title game 3 times in just six years as OU's head coach.

quote:

---

Actually, he has not been there more than anyone else. Stoops has been there the same number of times (3), and won just as many (1).

---

quote:

---

In 2005, the same thing could have been said about Bob Stoops, except he had been to the BCS title game 3 times in just six years as OU's head coach.

---

IF you are making the case that Stoops should be ranked higher than Tressell, I disagree.

quote:

---

never coached a team in a BCS championship game.

---

tressell inherited a program that has the most athletic recruiting ground (ohio) in its conferenceand has the 2nd best national pull in recruiting (behind UM). he has a lot more talent than his competition, and his competition SUCKS

similar situation with stoops. #2 most talented team, but he owns the only other really talented team (UT..same with OSU and UM). the rest of the big12 is shite. this is why OSU and OU go to bowls they shouldn't and get embarrassed

quote:

---

don't you think some of the others you list ought to at least make it to the game before you list them as "better?"

---

tubby had an undefeated season in the SEC and was held out because an overrated OU team made it

richt plays in the SEC also and faces competition that tres/stoops just simply don't. UGA has been better than either the past 5 years, but UGA doesn't play a shite schedule and is rarely #1 in the SEC

quote:

---

I can't believe you won't give the guy credit.

---

he has no "before OSU" team to judge. he coached a 1-AA team. he's also one of the dirtiest guys in CFB

if tressell had a 1A history to look at, then he'd be higher, but he doesn't, and his team is in ND territory in terms of going to bowls it shouldn't (same with OU and stoops...and both are better than ND, but they get favorable rankings)

the year tres didn't have the most talented team in the (shitty) big10, his team sucked (2004). tres had the best team in the big10 by far in 2005 and didn't even win the conference. OSU should have been the #2 team behind UT that year, but they choked. and if tres has to think outside the box, he sucks (Same with stoops. both are only so-so gameday coaches)

quote:

---

In 2005, the same thing could have been said about Bob Stoops, except he had been to the BCS title game 3 times in just six years as OU's head coach.

---

I'd gone back and edited before I read your post but the 3 times in 6 years thing is a valid point. However, at THIS point, Tressel has been there 3 times in 7 years while Stoops has been there 3 times in 9 years.

Look, they've both been there three times. That's quite an accomplishment.

I will say, though, that Tressel hasn't had the big losses outside of the BCS championship game. He did lose to South Carolina by 31-28 at the end of his first year as head coach. But, otherwise, he hasn't lost a bowl game outside of BCS title games. He hasn't lost to a Boise State.

And, again, that Miami team Ohio State beat after the 2002 season was VERY highly regarded. In fact I'd say that it was the most highly regarded team...at the time that the BCS title game was played...to be beaten in a BCS title game.

quote:

---

Les Miles ranked #4

---

And many a rantard will be calling for his head the first time LSU loses this year, just as they were last year, right before he won a NC.

quote:

---

However, he's been a significant factor in losing the last 2 BCS Championship games. I think he was outcoached in both of them.

---

My theory is that they have a problem with the long layoff. The Florida game was horrible. No doubt he was outcoached there. That was total domination.

The LSU game was, I think, a little different. I think his players were young and lost their heads some. Remember, that was a young team that was not supposed to win its conference much less be in the BCS championship game.

We'll see how he does this year. This is the "next year" team. Awfully tough hurdle at USC though.

quote:

---

I will say, though, that Tressel hasn't had the big losses outside of the BCS championship game.

---

Neither had Stoops at that time, which is precisely my point. Tressel's resume today looks much like Stoops' did in 2005. As quickly and easily as Stoops' reputation dropped, so could Tressel's. If DickRod springs an upset this year or next, or if OSU loses to the Trojans in L.A. (quite likely), Tressel will find himself outside the Championship Game and possibly not even in the BCS. How many Cap1 Bowls can he lose and keep his #2 status?

quote:

---

My theory is that they have a problem with the long layoff.

---

or how about the simple explanation: they aren't as good as their record and accolades say they are

playing in a shite conference that you have a HUGE talent edge in will do that

same thing with stoops and his recent BCS failures