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re: TJ opens up the RPO portion of the offense
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:32 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:32 pm to LSU Fan 90812
I think he’s saying - from the defenses perspective - the threat of the zone read Qb run from Finley is greater than with Brennan.
As someone said before, the qb reads for zone read and rpo are two different people, so it’s either or.
Zone read options - hand to runningback or qb keep
RPO options - hand to runningback or quick pass
As someone said before, the qb reads for zone read and rpo are two different people, so it’s either or.
Zone read options - hand to runningback or qb keep
RPO options - hand to runningback or quick pass
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Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:33 pm to Lester Earl
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I get what you are saying, I do. He still does not know the difference
ok, bud! Long time no talk.
How's your bro and mom and dem?
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:33 pm to eyedropper
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I think he’s saying - from the defenses perspective - the threat of the zone read Qb run from Finley is greater than with Brennan.
exactly.
but now i'm not sure who understands what anymore
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:40 pm to Lester Earl
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No he doesn’t His posts literally say he doesn’t Even after 11 pages I get what you are saying, I do. He still does not know the difference
You’re just an idiot who loves to argue.
I have said clearly what an RPO is, which still confuses you.
You think all qb handoffs/fake handoffs are read options. Theyre not.
LSU runs RPO’s not read options, because our QB has the option to pass as well.
Pay attention. Our Wr’s are running route on these plays. Because its an RPO.
Thats the whole point of the RPO - to hide what we’re doing.
Joey B was a master with it. He knew when to (1) pull it and run, (2) hand it off, or (3) pull it and throw. I.E. RPO.
Lol this shite is hilarious.
Dont hurt yourself overthinking it Earl. Derpp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:44 pm to P bean
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Pay attention. Our Wr’s are running route on these plays. Because its an RPO.
This doesnt mean anything.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:46 pm to P bean
OMG 
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:49 pm to P bean
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:57 pm to thekid
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I was saying we should stop running the QB because it wasn’t working except for short yardage.
Isn't this all you really need a QB to be able to get? Let the RBs get the massive yardage, but give me a QB that can consistently get the 3rd and 1 plays. His size helps that. That was really the thing that made Newton a pain in college. It was the big runs. It was the 1-3 yard plays throughout the game that frustrated defenses. It's the play that everyone knows is coming but they can do little to stop it. 4-plays at the Mizzou 1 yard line and the play they stayed away from was the QB sneak because Brennan couldn't get the push in their assessment. Btw, 3 of those 3rd down plays came on QB sneaks in the first possession alone against USCe.
Now, that doesn't mean Brennan shouldn't be the starter. I do believe they need to be open to making adjustments like implementing a 3rd and short package though.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 2:13 pm to P bean
Read Option is a different play.
That’s like saying all Zone Runs are part of a RPO Offense.
Sure but if you don’t have the passing option the play isn’t an RPO.
You also don’t need a Read Option in a Read Pass Option Offense.
That’s like saying all Zone Runs are part of a RPO Offense.
Sure but if you don’t have the passing option the play isn’t an RPO.
You also don’t need a Read Option in a Read Pass Option Offense.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 2:31 pm to Will2nd
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4-plays at the Mizzou 1 yard line and the play they stayed away from was the QB sneak because Brennan couldn't get the push in their assessment.
**offensive line
Posted on 10/25/20 at 2:58 pm to SammyTiger
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Sure but if you don’t have the passing option the play isn’t an RPO.
Uh there’s def a passing option. Thats why its an RPO
Posted on 10/25/20 at 2:59 pm to SidewalkTiger
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quote: Pay attention. Our Wr’s are running route on these plays. Because its an RPO. This doesnt mean anything.
Yes it does. LOL. Wtf
Posted on 10/25/20 at 3:09 pm to SidewalkTiger
LINK
Let me help you idiots out. This literally describes what Im saying about RPO offenses.
Hope this helps you understand what we’re doing with our RPO’s. This article is literally telling you what Ive been saying repeatedly.
Thanks for playing!
Keep being delusional now if you like!
LOL
Let me help you idiots out. This literally describes what Im saying about RPO offenses.
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So how do you identify a run-pass option while watching at home? Here are a few key things to look at…
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1. The offensive line Keep an eye on how aggressive the offensive line is after the snap. If they are going forward and blocking downfield as if they were run blocking, but the quarterback ends up passing the ball, you are probably looking at an RPO. If the line were strictly pass blocking, you’d see the linemen dropping back rather than moving forward. The offensive tackles will really give it away. Here’s an example of a play that might look like an RPO but was really just a designed pass. Keep an eye on the offensive tackles…
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2. The receivers Now if a quarterback hands the ball off on an RPO, the best way to diagnose it is by looking at the receivers. Are they running routes or are they blocking for the running back? If they are running routes on a hand off, it’s probably an RPO. This is an RPO…
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But if the line is run-blocking, and the receivers are running routes AND the quarterbacks eyes are fixated on a single defender, then there’s a very good chance you are watching an RPO in action. If even just one of those things doesn’t happen on a play, though, you’re looking at a regular old football play. And if the commentator calls it an RPO, feel free to scream at your television.
Hope this helps you understand what we’re doing with our RPO’s. This article is literally telling you what Ive been saying repeatedly.
Thanks for playing!
Keep being delusional now if you like!
LOL
Posted on 10/25/20 at 3:15 pm to Nobelium
He ran 3 times, the other 3 carries were sneaks. You people are too ignorant to even engage with.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 3:18 pm to P bean
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Yes it does. LOL. Wtf
Receivers can run routes whether its a read option or RPO, the offensive line can block whichever way on either.
The only consistent defining difference between an RPO or a read option is who the quarterback is reading.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 3:20 pm to P bean
The QB always has the option to run, but RPOs are not designed to be read options with a passing option. Literally every passing play the QB can tuck it and run.
You can run all the RPOs you want with a statue at QB.
You can run all the RPOs you want with a statue at QB.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 3:24 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:that’s not true. The offensive line doesn’t leave the backside defensive end unblocked on an RPO
To the defense, the beginning of a Zone Read play and an RPO play is borderline indistinguishable.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 3:37 pm to SidewalkTiger
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The only consistent defining difference between an RPO or a read option is who the quarterback is reading.
Mostly true but not the only difference. The obvious difference between RPOs & read option runs is that RPO reads determine whether you hand-off or pull it for basically a play-action pass... Read-option reads just determine where the run goes (handoff vs keeper).
The built-in play action is an added bonus of any type of option. Arguably kinda the point of them, really.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 3:49 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:And the fact that in a zone read the O-line leaves the backside defensive end unblocked
The only consistent defining difference between an RPO or a read option is who the quarterback is reading.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 4:00 pm to SammyTiger
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The QB always has the option to run, but RPOs are designes to be read options with a passing option. Literally every passing play the QB can tuck it and run.
I think that’s what people don’t understand. They see a QB scrambling and think “oh, he has the option to run or pass so that must be an RPO.” But that’s not a designed play - it’s a scramble.
And then they go “OK, but if the QB can run on a pass, he can also run on an RPO.” Which is true, I guess, but it’s not part of the play design. Probably 99% of RPO’s are basically play action passes where the QB has the option to hand the ball off instead of pulling it.
Designed QB runs are very rarely, if ever, RPO’s. Most are either straight up QB zones, zone-read options, or QB draws. None of those plays are designed with a pass option. And for good reason - the entire point of any option play is for the QB to make a read. It’s pretty damned difficult to run to a gap, read a defensive key, set up, then deliver a ball to an open receiver. Not to mention the fact that RPO’s have to be executed quickly, so that the lineman don’t get too far downfield.
So to various posters’ point about “yeah but a mobile QB still makes it more effective” - only to the extent that a mobile QB makes anything else more effective. Yes, it’s another thing the defense has to worry about. But I don’t think anyone is going to put a spy on TJ Finley.
Which brings me to my last point - I think people are significantly overstating his mobility. He’s huge, which makes him more effective on a QB sneak (which, BTW, isn’t exactly a “sneak” in our offense
) and makes you feel a little better about running him on a draw, since he can shake off a tackler and hopefully take a hit with his size. But he’s not particularly speedy. Certainly not someone I would expect to burn people with his legs like Burrow.
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