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re: Pat O’Briens lays off 80 and NOLA’s future cloudy

Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:44 am to
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
26064 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:44 am to
As someone who owns several office, warehouse, and other commercial buildings since the 70s in Orleans, Jefferson, & St. Tammany Parish here is what I am seeing taking place right now. The Class A and Class B office building demand in Orleans is downright horrific and right now we are on pace with a glut of even more office space coming on line in 2021 with very little, if any, demand. We own a mix of B & C class buildings in the area but Orleans is really bad but Jefferson is holding its own. We are down about 14% in office space in Jefferson but Orleans we are down 36% as of last week in Class B/C space. I'm only speaking about the commercial buildings we own which include a mix of retail & restaurants have also taken a plunge--in Orleans we have lost about 45% of our retail & restaurant tenants and in Jefferson we are only off by 30% of our retail & restaurants. St. Tammany we are down about 15% retail and restaurants. Luckily we own our properties and are not leveraged with debt unlike many other property owners who have commercial portfolios in Orleans, Jefferson, & St. Tammany.

Warehouse demand has remained static as some of our tenants have been stock piling up goods due to the lower demand which is good for us.

Orleans Parish as of last month was losing $150,000,000 million a week and that number is expected to increase at the beginning of November to $200 mil a week if the city doesn't start laying off employees and cutting departments.

New Orleans right now is completely shut down for convention business for 2020 and 2021 looks like a repeat. I talked to one of the VPs with the NOTMC a couple of weeks ago and the person said they felt like Orleans won't see a recovery in the convention business until 2024-2025 and that the shutdown has seriously impeded our ability to go after business when other cities are aggressively poaching our conventions. Another factor that has hurt us was the idea to increase the taxes on the hotels downtown which cut into the bottom lines of many trade associations who host conventions and conferences.

As of August 30th, 50% of all restaurants in Orleans Parish were closed and 33% of all hotels were shut down with 3/4 of those closures permanent. Jefferson was faring much better with 30% of all restaurants closed and 5% of all hotels shut down. Didn't get the figures for St. Tammany.

As for Mardi Gras--is the big question mark right now as one idea is to have Mardi Gras but with NO throws and no spectators. The Krewes will roll down the parade routes and spectators can watch them roll virtually. I'm unsure how many Krewes will actually roll under this model but it is a leading contender if we have Mardi Gras in 2021. Everyone knows that Mardi Gras is the economic engine for the entire area so if it gets cancelled the carnage will be catastrophic for every single restaurant/bar/retail establishment not only in Orleans but also in Jefferson.

A lot of people who live in Jefferson are dependent on work in Orleans Parish so the spillover effect is major.

LaToya is hoping the CARES Act will provide enough money to subsidize the City's coffers but as others have said we are so far behind the curve right now nationally that other cities will use CARES Act cash to actively out promote New Orleans because we will be forced to use that money to plug holes in Government not use it to recruit conventions and conferences.

I also see a lot of people who have been vested in New Orleans for a long time moving out of Orleans Parish to St. Tammany, some to Jefferson Parish, but more to the Miss Gulf Coast, Houston, Dallas, and Florida panhandle. Luckily for those people low interest rates have spurred on some purchase and refinance activity but I really worry what will happen with LaToya and the idiots on the city council push forward with their new property tax and sales tax hikes they are quietly floating around right now. If they get those tax increases passed then we will see an ever bigger drop in activity in New Orleans.

**Update there was a typo in my original post I said 67% of all hotels were shut down when in fact it is 33% of all hotels are shut down. 67% of all hotels are open for business even though they are not generating a lot of business right now.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 1:24 pm
Posted by OldHickory
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2012
10602 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:51 am to
Property tax increases are my biggest fear. Are you hearing percentages mentioned? I’m looking at some property that I can get a really good deal on, but I don’t want to get hosed in the long run by Exorbitant taxes. We all know that once they go up, they’ll never come down.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43404 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:52 am to
quote:

if the city doesn't start laying off employees and cutting departments.


This will never happen in any large city, anywhere.

Taxes will just be raised instead.

Government never shrinks, it only grows.

quote:

with LaToya and the idiots on the city council push forward with their new property tax and sales tax hikes they are quietly floating around right now.


Corrupt governments are anything if predictable.






This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 9:55 am
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41293 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:50 am to
quote:

As someone who owns several office, warehouse, and other commercial buildings since the 70s in Orleans, Jefferson, & St. Tammany Parish here is what I am seeing taking place right now. The Class A and Class B office building demand in Orleans is downright horrific and right now we are on pace with a glut of even more office space coming on line in 2021 with very little, if any, demand. We own a mix of B & C class buildings in the area but Orleans is really bad but Jefferson is holding its own. We are down about 14% in office space in Jefferson but Orleans we are down 36% as of last week in Class B/C space. I'm only speaking about the commercial buildings we own which include a mix of retail & restaurants have also taken a plunge--in Orleans we have lost about 45% of our retail & restaurant tenants and in Jefferson we are only off by 30% of our retail & restaurants. St. Tammany we are down about 15% retail and restaurants. Luckily we own our properties and are not leveraged with debt unlike many other property owners who have commercial portfolios in Orleans, Jefferson, & St. Tammany.

Warehouse demand has remained static as some of our tenants have been stock piling up goods due to the lower demand which is good for us.

Orleans Parish as of last month was losing $150,000,000 million a week and that number is expected to increase at the beginning of November to $200 mil a week if the city doesn't start laying off employees and cutting departments.

New Orleans right now is completely shut down for convention business for 2020 and 2021 looks like a repeat. I talked to one of the VPs with the NOTMC a couple of weeks ago and the person said they felt like Orleans won't see a recovery in the convention business until 2024-2025 and that the shutdown has seriously impeded our ability to go after business when other cities are aggressively poaching our conventions. Another factor that has hurt us was the idea to increase the taxes on the hotels downtown which cut into the bottom lines of many trade associations who host conventions and conferences.

As of August 30th, 50% of all restaurants in Orleans Parish were closed and 67% of all hotels were shut down with 3/4 of those closures permanent. Jefferson was faring much better with 30% of all restaurants closed and 5% of all hotels shut down. Didn't get the figures for St. Tammany.

As for Mardi Gras--is the big question mark right now as one idea is to have Mardi Gras but with NO throws and no spectators. The Krewes will roll down the parade routes and spectators can watch them roll virtually. I'm unsure how many Krewes will actually roll under this model but it is a leading contender if we have Mardi Gras in 2021. Everyone knows that Mardi Gras is the economic engine for the entire area so if it gets cancelled the carnage will be catastrophic for every single restaurant/bar/retail establishment not only in Orleans but also in Jefferson.

A lot of people who live in Jefferson are dependent on work in Orleans Parish so the spillover effect is major.

LaToya is hoping the CARES Act will provide enough money to subsidize the City's coffers but as others have said we are so far behind the curve right now nationally that other cities will use CARES Act cash to actively out promote New Orleans because we will be forced to use that money to plug holes in Government not use it to recruit conventions and conferences.

I also see a lot of people who have been vested in New Orleans for a long time moving out of Orleans Parish to St. Tammany, some to Jefferson Parish, but more to the Miss Gulf Coast, Houston, Dallas, and Florida panhandle. Luckily for those people low interest rates have spurred on some purchase and refinance activity but I really worry what will happen with LaToya and the idiots on the city council push forward with their new property tax and sales tax hikes they are quietly floating around right now. If they get those tax increases passed then we will see an ever bigger drop in activity in New Orleans.


This might be the most informative and detailed post I have ever seen on this site.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

Orleans Parish as of last month was losing $150,000,000 million a week and that number is expected to increase at the beginning of November to $200 mil a week if the city doesn't start laying off employees and cutting departments.
quote:

67% of all hotels were shut down with 3/4 of those closures permanent


certainly this would be all over the news, would you mind listing these permanent hotel closures for us
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
4918 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:52 pm to
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As for Mardi Gras--is the big question mark right now as one idea is to have Mardi Gras but with NO throws and no spectators. The Krewes will roll down the parade routes and spectators can watch them roll virtually. I'm unsure how many Krewes will actually roll under this model but it is a leading contender if we have Mardi Gras in 2021.


This is unbelievably dumb. Even for Destroya.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33454 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 5:20 pm to
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As for Mardi Gras--is the big question mark right now as one idea is to have Mardi Gras but with NO throws and no spectators. The Krewes will roll down the parade routes and spectators can watch them roll virtually. I'm unsure how many Krewes will actually roll under this model but it is a leading contender if we have Mardi Gras in 2021. Everyone knows that Mardi Gras is the economic engine for the entire area so if it gets cancelled the carnage will be catastrophic for every single restaurant/bar/retail establishment not only in Orleans but also in Jefferson.

This can’t possibly be a consideration.

First, who the hell wants to watch a parade virtually?

Second, Would they have the resources to keep the entire parade route clear of people?

Third, how would this help restaurants and hotels if the parades are virtual? How many tourists do they expect to come in town and spend money on hotels to watch a virtual parade?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34699 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 8:27 pm to
quote:

As of August 30th, 50% of all restaurants in Orleans Parish were closed and 33% of all hotels were shut down with 3/4 of those closures permanent. Jefferson was faring much better with 30% of all restaurants closed and 5% of all hotels shut down. Didn't get the figures for St. Tammany.


I would like to see these figures as I can’t imagine that the drop is nearly as drastic as the southshore.

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