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Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)

Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:04 pm
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:04 pm
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Today, Gov. John Bel Edwards and other top Louisiana officials signed a formal agreement with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to begin construction on the deepening of the Lower Mississippi River to 50 feet from 45 feet. This project will provide deep draft access to the ports at Baton Rouge, New Orleans, South Louisiana, St. Bernard and Plaquemines.


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“When completed, this project will allow larger vessels that can currently use the widened Panama Canal to reach Louisiana ports as far north as Baton Rouge. It will also allow for some vessels to carry heavier loads


I know pilot salaries are the hot topic of the day, but that represents a very small portion of the costs to ship goods. as ships continue to be built bigger, deepwater access is the real issue that determines the lower Mississippi's competitiveness, as a port, with other gulf coast and even east coast ports.

ever since the new Panama Canal locks were opened, there has been a race to 50 feet among gulf coast and east coast ports including the lower mississippi (Port Nola, Port of Baton Rouge, Port of South Louisiana) Houston, Mobile, etc.

For those that do not know, ships are built to maximum size to fit through the Panama and Suez canals. With the new panama canal locks opened, that has resulted in a new class of ship, Neopanamax, and now it is up to the ports to accomodate these larger vessels.


these are different sizes for tankers, but bulk carriers, general cargo, and containerships are all built in similar size categories.

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“With the signing today, we have taken one step forward toward providing a better future for countless Louisianans,” said DOTD Secretary Shawn Wilson, Ph.D. “If we work together with our natural resources and put a multimodal commerce plan in place, the Mississippi River can be an economic super highway and Louisiana can be a leader in global goods movement.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23218 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:07 pm to
Good. We have no topography, we need to dredge every river in the state.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31091 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:08 pm to
I just hope one of those big bastards doesn’t hit the levee during flood stage.
This post was edited on 8/1/20 at 12:24 pm
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:08 pm to
Good news. Amazing what a difference a couple feet makes.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
54017 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:09 pm to
I’m gonna need several, multi-year studies on environmental impacts before they move forward with this.
Posted by Red Stick Rambler
Member since Jun 2011
1192 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:09 pm to
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I know pilot salaries are the hot topic of the day, but that represents a very small portion of the costs to ship goods


I thought this wasn’t a river pilot thread?
Posted by wheelr
Member since Jul 2012
5149 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:09 pm to
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to 50 feet from 45 feet.


Seems like a small change. I feel like the river bottom could frequently vary that much due to silt. But I'm not a river scientist.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54914 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:18 pm to
What kind of mileage of river are we talking? That sounds like a huge undertaking.
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
56114 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:21 pm to
Pretty interesting!
Posted by Stealth Matrix
29°59'55.98"N 90°05'21.85"W
Member since Aug 2019
7938 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:29 pm to
Where are they dumping the sediment? Hopefully in the swamps.
Posted by Jackie Chan
Japan?
Member since Sep 2012
4686 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:31 pm to


Panama Canal Max: Panamax (old)
New Panama Canal Max: Panamax (new)
Suez Canal Max: Suezmax
Straight of Malacca Max: Very Large Crude Carrier (VLCC)

This amuses me
This post was edited on 8/1/20 at 12:32 pm
Posted by bakersman
Shreveport
Member since Apr 2011
5721 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:33 pm to
They should load the silt from this project onto barges and start another project for coastal restoration
Posted by AutoYes_Clown
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2012
5182 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:46 pm to
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deepening of the Lower Mississippi River to 50 feet


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New Panama Canal Max draft of 49.9 ft


With 1.25" to spare, definitely going to need to up pilot pay.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
4915 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:52 pm to
so many "that's what she said" jokes
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18470 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 12:56 pm to
This thread is way over my head.
Posted by SWCBonfire
South Texas
Member since Aug 2011
1271 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 1:12 pm to
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ever since the new Panama Canal locks were opened, there has been a race to 50 feet among gulf coast and east coast ports including the lower mississippi (Port Nola, Port of Baton Rouge, Port of South Louisiana) Houston, Mobile, etc.


Port of Corpus Christi is planning on handling fully-laden VLCCs and Suezmax tankers at some facilities. IIRC, their minimum draft for every single facility is going to be -54' with up to another -4' for overdepth allowance and advanced maintenace dredging. That is going on now, they are working from Port A back towards La Quinta channel and the main port.

Everyone else is playing catch up. PoCC is now 3rd in the nation based on tonnage... lots and lots of Permian Basin crude exported (plus the Qmax ships for LNG, which are big but only draft in the 40's if memory serves).
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63552 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 1:33 pm to
Louisiana always catering to the dredges of society.
Posted by LSU Tiger Bob
South
Member since Sep 2011
3003 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 1:54 pm to
Politicians fixing to make bank!

Go to 55 or go home!
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7553 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 2:00 pm to
Why stop at 50? We should have gone for the whole enchilada by going 66 feet to get the Suez traffic too.

The VLCC can always just use LOOP.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 2:30 pm to
An 82' draft is mind-blowing. You can't safely get anywhere near Louisiana drafting that much
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