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re: Other SEC teams fans are ridiculous
Posted on 7/23/08 at 5:43 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 7/23/08 at 5:43 pm to KosmoCramer
You laughing at my "game was over" rant or something to do with our halfbacks?
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Posted on 7/23/08 at 5:45 pm to TxTiger82
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None of this changes the fact that the game would have been OVER if not for that really really bad call.
Correct. OSU would have won in regulation without the refs incorrectly calling Gamble's sliding catch in bounds incomplete on third down with two minutes left, which would have given OSU a first down, and the probability of the Bucks running out the clock.
Posted on 7/23/08 at 5:46 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
And FWIW, the Big 12 reviewed it and said the call was correct, and a magazine for referees named it one of the 18 best calls of all time in ANY SPORT.
Posted on 7/23/08 at 5:49 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Ah, I see. The "CosmoKramer" standard of "proven 1st option backs": if they aren't Beanie Wells, they must automatically suck.
They aren't proven 1st option backs
Watch the last half of our 2006 season, where Keiland Williams was our feature back and we were beating top 10 teams and blew out a Notre Dame team that didn't have nearly as much trouble with their opponents from the "tough" Big 10.
Having enough stud RBs to share the load does not mean none of them are proven 1st option backs. Unless you are just being irrational to try and tear down proven, stud RBs who give absolutely no legit reason for you to doubt them.
Posted on 7/23/08 at 5:50 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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And FWIW, the Big 12 reviewed it and said the call was correct, and a magazine for referees named it one of the 18 best calls of all time in ANY SPORT.
So what? It was plain for everyone to see despite the attempt to circle the wagons.
It was the wrong call. Not only that, but the referee (after throwing the flag late) originally signalled holding, and then changed it to pass interference, which ended up being the call (HOLDING would have been a better call, since the Miami player was actually in contact with the Ohio State player after 5 yards but before the ball was thrown).
Once the ball was thrown, the Miami player was not in contact until the ball arrived. Holding could have been called, but there is no way in hell that was PI.
Posted on 7/23/08 at 5:51 pm to KosmoCramer
Kramer go to OSU's board, brag about your outstanding QB, god i loved watching him eat shite in New Orleans. Also, for the guy arguing his point on there saying Flynn and Mauck had intricate knowledge of the scheme. Flynn was playing in a new scheme, with a new coordinator. Hatch and Lee both have alot more time in the system than Flynn did. And by the way, Kramer tell your team to win something, and not by a pissy pass interference call in a title game, okay buddy now piss off 
Posted on 7/23/08 at 5:53 pm to TxTiger82
quote:That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read, no matter how many millions of times I read it. It is the most typical expression of what is worst about Miami fans that they are so offended because they didn't get the bad call to win the game. The guy was making contact down the field when the ball was thrown. Penalty, period, no question, and no one with half a rational brain, a video of the play, and even a passing knowledge of football would ever seriously suggest otherwise.
Justify it however you want but that was a bad call
Miami was holding AND interfering on that play. And it is laughably humiliating for people who embarass themselves by trying to deny it. I really, really feel sorry for you, man. As a fellow Tiger fan, I really hope you live this down and get over it.
Posted on 7/23/08 at 5:54 pm to KosmoCramer
Cosmo - can't you find an O-state board brah?
Posted on 7/23/08 at 5:55 pm to King Joey
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The guy was making contact down the field when the ball was thrown.
That is incorrect Joey. He made contact before the ball was thrown (holding) but not once the ball was thrown.
I just watched the game on ESPN Classic the other day, and the announcers made a huge point in indicating that there was no contact while that ball was in the air.
I believe after watching the replay for the first time the announcer said "BAD CALL, BAD CALL".
This post was edited on 7/23/08 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 7/23/08 at 6:01 pm to King Joey
quote:
Watch the last half of our 2006 season, where Keiland Williams was our feature back and we were beating top 10 teams and blew out a Notre Dame team that didn't have nearly as much trouble with their opponents from the "tough" Big 10.
Keiland Williams "last half of 2006":
vs UK 8 carries for 48 yards
vs Fresno State 6 carries for 51 yards
vs UT 17 carries for 63 yards
vs Bama 9 carries for 79 yards
vs OM 0 for 0
vs Ark 13 for 70
vs ND 14 for 108
Yep, a regular murderers row of teams. Feature back?
He looks like a talented guy, lets see if one of them can carry the load Hester was toting (225 carries last year).
And if your QB is struggling...folks are gonna load up against the run.
Maybe these guys will look like DMac..or maybe they'll look like shite.
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Having enough stud RBs to share the load does not mean none of them are proven 1st option backs. Unless you are just being irrational to try and tear down proven, stud RBs who give absolutely no legit reason for you to doubt them.
UGA and OSU both "share the load" with their RBs as well.
UGA had 1 RB with 248 carries and 1300+ yards and another with 148 and 816 yards. Expect much the same this year with Knowshon and Caleb.
OSU had Beanie Wells (274 carries), Maurice Wells (103 carries), Brandon Saine (60 carries) last year.
LSU isn't the only team with talented RB depth (Knowshon started 2007 as our 3rd string RB behind Brown and Lumpkin). UGA has an AA caliber starter backed up by a bench full of 4/5 star guys who are ready for their turn....1 of them will be great if not all.
This post was edited on 7/23/08 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 7/23/08 at 6:02 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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Answer the question, do you think that LSU has a better backfield than UF or UGA?
I'll answer it; hell yeah.
After T-bow, UF has no backfield, so what is there to discuss?
And UGA's got one proven RB; LSU has 3 (Scott, Murphy, and KW). As far as QB, with the O-line, WR's and TE's LSU has, I think the QB spot will be better than many expect.
So overall, I wouldn't trade LSU's backfield for UF's or UGA's.
Posted on 7/23/08 at 6:05 pm to TxTiger82
quote:
So what?
You seem to be ignoring my other point about how the game shouldn't have gone to OT.
quote:
Holding could have been called,
Holding is the EXACT SAME PENALTY as PI. So you're saying it would be more fair to just give the Miami the win, when there should have been a penalty than to give OSU the ball and auto first down (just like a holding would), because the ref called it as PI, instead of a correct holding call, even though there's no difference between the two? That's odd.
Posted on 7/23/08 at 6:07 pm to kclsufan
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And UGA's got one proven RB; LSU has 3 (Scott, Murphy, and KW
How can you call those guys "proven" in the same way KM is proven? Not one of those guys has EVER had 20 carries in a game. Combined they've got 3 100 yard rushing Games. KM has 6 100+ yard games and 6 games with 20+ carries. You can talk about "spreading it around" all you want, but last year it was Hester getting the tough yards for you...not thes guys. Maybe they can do it, maybe they can't, but they aren't "proven" as more than anything than role players or backups.
Posted on 7/23/08 at 6:12 pm to TxTiger82
quote:That was after watching a replay where the receiver was offscreen when the ball was thrown.
I believe after watching the replay for the first time the announcer said "BAD CALL, BAD CALL".
quote:Two problems with this:
That is incorrect Joey. He made contact before the ball was thrown (holding) but not once the ball was thrown
1) as I said, only the absolute filth of Miami fans would have the nerve to complain about not getting away with holding to win a game because they were called for pass interference;
2) the ball is thrown as Gamble reaches the goal line. Sharp is clearly making contact with him, as Gamble does his stop move and shakes him off to come back and jump for the ball. If you can't see that, then you are just trying too hard not to see it.
Bottom line, even you, trying your damnedest to twist everything you possibly can to justify trashing the Buckeyes, absolutely admit that Miami was at least holding which would have the exact same result. And yet, you view this as Miami getting screwed by a bad call, because you believe the fair and honest result would have been for Miami to get away with cheating -- holding -- and win the game on the basis of that bad call?
That, as I said, is one of the stupidest things I've ever read, and will continue to be for many, many years.
Either Miami wins on what you conceded would be a bad no-call, or Ohio State gets the ball 1st and goal. Which result do you truly believe would be more fair?
P.S.: The bullshite of the official "changing his mind" is retarded. The replay videos show him clear as day signaling the holding (which everyone agrees was obvious) AND the pass interference. He never says, "holding; oh, wait! No, pass interference!"
He is clearly and obviously indicating holding AND pass interference, as both occurred in the course of the play.
Posted on 7/23/08 at 6:14 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Posted on 7/23/08 at 6:16 pm to TxTiger82
If you go to the 1:51 mark of that video, you will see that Sharp has clearly continued the contact into the endzone where Gamble does his plant move to separate from him. That creates the separation that the announcer saw on the first replay which picked them up just before the ball arrived, but after the contact during the pass has occurred.
But regardless, the truth still stands: Miami was at least holding, so either Miami wins the National Championship on a bad no-call, or Ohio State gets the ball 1st and goal. And you are insisting that the first option is more fair. Why?
But regardless, the truth still stands: Miami was at least holding, so either Miami wins the National Championship on a bad no-call, or Ohio State gets the ball 1st and goal. And you are insisting that the first option is more fair. Why?
Posted on 7/23/08 at 6:30 pm to dawgorama
quote:We're not. We are simply realizing that it does not take a season like Knowshon had for a RB to "prove" himself. If that were the case, Reggie Bush was "unproven" coming into 2005 and Lendale White was never "proven."
How can you call those guys "proven" in the same way KM is proven?
Keiland Williams has carried the bulk of the load for an SEC team for half a season, and has been a regular contributor for two seasons, and has averaged over 6 yards per game doing it.
146 carries for 914 yards and 11 TDs with two 100+ yard games against top 10 opponents; find me one other RB who has done that in two seasons that you would call "unproven."
Posted on 7/23/08 at 6:31 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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quote: But Hatch or Lee will surely be able to be better than mauck.
Rodman said:
I dont think so at all. Did you see the spring game?
Yes Rodman I did. What's your point? Did you see the spring game where Matt Mauck threw 5 int's?
Hatch is a very good athlete who was offered a scholly as a QB to BYU but moved on when Crowton was fired. He is no more a walk on in that sense than Mauck, who was originally offered by Saban at MSU and followed him to LSU when he realized he could not play pro baseball.
Lee is a 4 star highly rated QB red shirt frosh with about the same ranking Matt Flynn had when he signed with LSU.
In the spring game they also faced the best DL they'll see all year. Both of them.
I know it will disappoint a closet Bammer like you but they'll be fine.
Posted on 7/23/08 at 6:39 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
One of the various Buckeyes said in reply to:
you are nuts if you think Ohio State would win the SEC twice a decade.
that...
"We would've won it in both 02 and 05, so..."
So.. if you won a division and got there it would be a postseason championship game against an SEC team. History says you don't win either one. Would probably be 0-11 instead of 0-9 ya know.
you are nuts if you think Ohio State would win the SEC twice a decade.
that...
"We would've won it in both 02 and 05, so..."
So.. if you won a division and got there it would be a postseason championship game against an SEC team. History says you don't win either one. Would probably be 0-11 instead of 0-9 ya know.
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