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re: Floyd did not die from asphyxiation
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:16 pm to Gaspergou202
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:16 pm to Gaspergou202
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And your careful watching of video has more authority than the Medical Examiner’s autopsy? Wow! You must carry some serious credentials!
So if an independent ME finds death by asphyxia, then what?
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:16 pm to DemonKA3268
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This post was edited on 2/13/21 at 8:18 am
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:16 pm to Choctaw
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the cop killed the fricking guy.
Like I said 3 pages ago, unless the guy was going to randomly drop dead on Tuesday the cop caused it.
Maybe it was stressing a weakened person rather than direct strangling but the guy wouldn't be dead without the incident or at least there's a 99 point something chance of it.
It only took 3 days to come to this conclusion. All the rioting was completely pointless.
My completely uninformed take (why not, everybody else has one) is the cop seems to be an a-hole (from his complaint record), he knew the guy, probably had a beef, so he was dicking around with him and thought he wasn't putting much weight on him but he caused him to die, leading to the lower level charge.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:16 pm to TigerCruise
Carbon monoxide
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:17 pm to Dawgfanman
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So are some pretending he woulda dropped dead without the cop kneeing his neck, while he died?
There was a local case some years back of a guy dying after being shot with a stun gun. He was full of coke and PCP. No charges were filed.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:17 pm to the808bass
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If all other causes of death are ruled out, this may not be as big of a deal.
The restraint is listed as a contributor to the death.
If he didn’t overdose, then we’re back to death by restraint with confounding factors of his weight, health and drug/alcohol usage.
I think kneeling on a guys neck for 8 minutes is unnecessary. The issue is you have to prove it killed him, not "likely contributed".
This will be a hard case to prosecute for murder. Maybe manslaughter if they get a sympathetic jury.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:18 pm to The Maj
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SHEEET, you think anyone is going to accept this diagnosis?
Maybe after the 10K review
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:20 pm to TigerCruise
quote:this. It almost certainly won’t be tried in Minnesota
This will be a hard case to prosecute for murder. Maybe manslaughter if they get a sympathetic jury.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:20 pm to buckeye_vol
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It literally says that the restraint contributed to his death, but you think because he had some underlying health conditions that also contributed to it that the restraint somehow doesn’t matter?
I'm no lawyer, but in a hypothetical, if you assault someone and during that assault they have a heart attack due to a history of coronary disease you would still be convicted of murder (3rd degree).
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:20 pm to TigerCruise
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Medical examiner said
What do the YouTube videos say? That's all that matters, right?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:21 pm to KosmoCramer
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Its not gonna be easy to get a significant conviction if this is true.
Probably correct. Oh, and add also considering that the Unconscious Neck hold is an approved Minneapolis PD restraint procedure:
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:21 pm to the808bass
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Anyone want to know how an ME finds asphyxiation?
From a forensic patho textbook. If Floyd had CAD, he could have already had progression toward right-sided heart failure, which pressure on his neck could have exacerbated.
I just realized you might have been asking this rhetorically. Sorry for the pedantry if so.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:22 pm to Dawgfanman
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So are some pretending he woulda dropped dead without the cop kneeing his neck, while he died?
Are we going to pretend there are no other variables to consider? Including drug use or pre-exisitng conditions?
Im not defending the act but these are not unreasonable questions.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:23 pm to bird35
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I found it odd the autopsy states so surely he did not die of asphyxiation, but does not state what he died of.
Probably haven't received results from toxicology tests yet. When my sister died, that part took almost a month.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:23 pm to TigerCruise
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The issue is you have to prove it killed him, not "likely contributed".
As I reread the document, the ME is very specific. He doesn’t say it wasn’t “asphyxia.” He says it wasn’t “traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” That doesn’t rule out all asphyxia. It conditionally rules out asphyxia due to being choked. It still leaves positional asphyxia or mechanical asphyxia on the table and the rest of the bit from the ME confirms that.
I’m not sure that statement is as important as we’re making it out to be
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:24 pm to the808bass
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So if an independent ME finds death by asphyxia, then what?
Wow, what if games?!
If an independent ME finds polar bear blood, the is he an Eskimo?
Look, I’ve seen the film, and I’ve read this announcement. One is bad for blue, the other is good, we shall see how this plays out. I do not know if they are guilty or innocent.
But I do know that innocent until proven guilty is a foundation of civilization. Declaring someone guilty, and defending it with what ifs, is Sophomoric. And burning down a city in riots is evil.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:25 pm to DemonKA3268
WOAH WOAH WOAH... this part is real interesting in that link... 3rd full paragraph from the bottom (the full probable cause summary of the situation)
so he started complaining about shortness of breath BEFORE they even put him on the ground
ETA: the report seems to be completely compiled from the body cam footage
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While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lang and Kueng assisted."
so he started complaining about shortness of breath BEFORE they even put him on the ground
ETA: the report seems to be completely compiled from the body cam footage
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:26 pm to the808bass
Also, I don't know if the dipshits here are aware, this does the exact opposite of exonerate the officer. The excerpt of the ME's determination is literally from the warrant that was put out to arrest the officer for manslaughter and murder 3. They determined that his actions caused the death of the guy, it just wasn't due to traumatic asphyxiation.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:26 pm to TigerCruise
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Medical examiner said they found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation" in George Floyd's death
Didn't need a Medical Examiner's report to tell me that.
6 years of Jr High and High School Wrestling, followed by 6 years of Judo taught me the saying, "If you can talk. You can Breath!"
He didn't die from asphyxiation, he died from having his right carotid artery constricted for at least 5 to 10 minutes.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:27 pm to the808bass
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So if an independent ME finds death by asphyxia, then what?
Yeah, the county ME isn't necessarily the final word on the matter of COD. It's quite common for one side or the other to retain the services of an expert to give another assessment of the COD. Most often it would be the defense that retains that outside expert, but not completely uncommon for the prosecution to do so instead.
Some people see the DA and County ME and law enforcement etc etc to all be on the same team. That observation is oftentimes justified, but it's not reality. The prosecution could easily take an adverse position to that of the county ME....if necessary.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 3:28 pm
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