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re: Oil suffers record plunge below $11 amid historic glut
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:26 pm to ClampClampington
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:26 pm to ClampClampington
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I think a couple big ones got caught long with their pants down and said eff it. The VAST majority of commodity traders and obviously hedge funds have no intention of physically executing on contracts, which is why I have no idea who the hell is holding until expiry day
It will be interesting to see what the Cushing, OK inventory numbers look like in a couple of days. Right now it feels like the terminals are fleecing some investors who got caught with their pants down but after looking at the data I’m not so sure. The EIA inventory data for Cushing shows 55 MM barrels as of 4/10, which isn’t that bad considering inventories hit >69 MM bbl in 2017. But the increases in inventory over the last few weeks have been:
WE 3/13: 0.563 MM bbl
WE 3/20: 0.858 MM bbl
WE 3/27: 3.521 MM bbl
WE 4/3: 6.417 MM bbl
WE 4/10: 5.724 MM bbl
The data for last week doesn’t come out until Wednesday, but I wonder if we are going to see a huge spike as that refineries continue ramping down their feed rates. A couple more weeks of increases at current rates could put Cushing inventories at record levels.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:27 pm to Boring
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:28 pm to Oilfieldbiology
at least i got to see Ed O win us a national championship
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:30 pm to bayoubengals88
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Deliver it to your address?
I bet the bill for a su0pertanker full of oil might come to that address.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:31 pm to Darth_Vader
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I’ve not heard of the US being involved in the production war. All the reports I’ve seen said it was Saudi Arabia and Russia and all we have done is try to get them to negotiate with one another.
The US was the largest producer of crude when all this got started. They always wanted to keep their production high and have Russian and OPEC lower their production to keep the price up.
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:33 pm to lostinbr
Storage is not full yet but it is likely totally booked out. I know purchasers have been pre booking for some of their producers for the last couple of months now. Any excess is probably committed. May was always expected to be the squeeze month but June could be rough also. That said I have a lot of empty frac tanks that could use some fluid and it would be lovely to stick it to some of these NY hedge funds.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:37 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Last I heard it was like $60/barrel but I’ve been way more wrong about stuff before.
Right, it could be that low. Saudi Arabia isn't exactly the most transparent bunch
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Either way, -$35 doesn't buy any gold plated Lambos
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:40 pm to LeClerc
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o what happens to offshore production? Do they just shut in everything?
Some platforms will have to shut in. Others that have more options with their pipelines, etc can keep going a little longer and hopefully wait out this mess.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:43 pm to TigerDog83
Strategic oil reserve has room for 100million. correct?
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:45 pm to lostinbr
Yep, and EIA data that comes out is retroactive to the prior week. So storage is going to fill faster than reported until we get huge cuts in production
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:45 pm to lostinbr
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So now you are paying someone else to store that oil. Hence the negative price.
My only follow-up question to that good explanation is this part, the people buying the contracts at negative prices don't just store the oil for contract holders, but actually take ownership of the product, right?
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:46 pm to nuwaydawg
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:50 pm to bayoubengals88
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What are they going to do in the event that you don't come pick up the oil? Deliver it to your address? Take you to court?
That’s actually a good question.
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I think that typically, failure to take delivery on a crude oil future would mean that the seller gets to keep their money and re-sell the oil for additional profits. But if they can’t re-sell it, I would think they have some way to recoup any cost impacts.
At their core, crude oil futures are contracts for delivery despite the day-trading. My guess is that the penalties for failing to accept delivery are higher than what the traders are paying to get out of the contracts right now.
What I’m not so sure about is who ultimately bears the cost of those contracts are broken. Since a lot of this activity comes from ETF’s, maybe the folks running the fund? I also know that you have to have a margin account to trade in futures - maybe this is why. If the price goes negative and the investor holds the contract, presumably they would ultimately have to accept delivery or pay whatever that negative price is.
I’m curious to hear from some of the finance or midstream baws because it’s an interesting question.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:55 pm to AllDayEveryDay
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On the bright side natural gas is up 19 cents today. That helps out all you midstream baws.
It's been a bleak year that just keeps coming with more punches. Just had a PM call me and tell me not to bother coming out next week
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:58 pm to PipelineBaw
I just got laid off. This is horrible and there will be many more layoffs coming.
Some of the small E&Ps I covered were told by the refineries that they are not taking any more oil. This was last week. A lot of the west Texas and south Texas guys are shutting down wells.
Some of the small E&Ps I covered were told by the refineries that they are not taking any more oil. This was last week. A lot of the west Texas and south Texas guys are shutting down wells.
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:59 pm to 337tigergirl
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I just got laid off. This is horrible and there will be many more layoffs coming.
Prayers and good vibes sent your way man. shite sucks and a lot of American families are about to be in the same boat if they aren't already.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 3:00 pm to TexasTiger39
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This was my thought. How long until the US Gov tries to prop up US companies by buying oil to put in the SPR? Not that I necessarily agree with the move, but the precedent has been set with respect to bailing out industries.
Forgive my ignorance but why wouldn’t you agree with this? The government buying at all time lows (the cheapest ever to the taxpayer and helping out American companies) to fill up a necessary reserve would be the smartest move in the history of government no?
Posted on 4/20/20 at 3:00 pm to iron banks
Ask JBE about tax credits and why he pushed other industries out of the state? He made the state more reliant on oil and gas. Sink in it now JBE.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 3:00 pm to GRTiger
Not necessarily, "trading paper" means I buy and sell contracts without ever intending to physically execute, or even have the setup to handle physical deliveries. Anyone that handles a commodity is likely going to be slightly long, even, or slightly short on the nearby month because I have actual commitments to other customers. Paper speculators can take much larger positions to try and play the markets, and looks like a bunch got caught with their pants down at expiry and liquidated because they cannot physically execute
Posted on 4/20/20 at 3:03 pm to lostinbr
The big A.. Arbitration. Very costly for anyone involved to bring to court, and not a fun process. It almost always is better for 2 parties to work out a price to wash and void contracts for non-delivery
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