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Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
You're a Communist
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:30 pm to Strannix
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How stupid do you all feel?
It's just bad for fatties and other people who make bad life choices.
What data were you looking at 2-3 months ago that made you think this was all bullshite?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:31 pm to Strannix
I bet you're a regular in the Q thread
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:34 pm to Paul Allen
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How stupid are you? That’s the better question.
Look how offended they are when you point this out.
Divide several trillion by a hundred thousand
Divide 100000 by the US population.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:35 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Dont recall I ever posted in it, certainly ot a regular, never even read it.
Strong fail cuck
Strong fail cuck
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:35 pm to gthog61
Muh shut it all down
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:41 pm to Pintail
You are just piling up the sandbags of denial around your head, filled with talking points given to you that you don’t even take time to think about before regurgitating.
What do you mean “in its worse year is 40% effective?” What does this even mean? I’m assuming you mean when the common strain in the US isn’t one of the virulent strains in the southern hemisphere and therefore the worst case scenario didn’t happen but people become ill with a milder illness.
Assuming it’s not, only half of adults even get the vaccine. So your “comparative mitigation” percentage is down to 20%
And if you think with all schools being closed, all restaurants being closed, and many places of business being closed resulted in less than a 20% mitigation of inter household interactions, you can add insanity with delusion.
In addition to that damning fact, you are completely ignoring the fundamental difference between seasonal flu and anything truely novel:
Even if you don’t get a flu vaccine, if you’ve had flu in the past you have SOMETHING your immune system can respond with. It might be not enough anymore to stop you from getting ill, but it’ll can be enough to mitigate the worst effects.
When something is novel, no one has anything. Even absent a vaccine, in future years this won’t be as dramatic an interest because people will have some degree of immunity to it. It might mutate enough to make them sick, but the hospitalization rate will be lower.
Actually we are on track to reach that value by June, and seasonal flu doesn’t start like this one does. It’s not a series of radiated cases from a singular source.
The reason for the flu season is that’s typically the time frame that the climatical values result in a replication value of the virus to be greater than one (I.e., self sustaining infection). It doesn’t mean there aren’t tens of thousands of flu at the start of the season here in the US (I.e around a month and a half of the infection spread here for coronavirus )
Day one of the flu season is not the same as day one of the first coronavirus case.
Also, it’s telling you don’t even register what you are doing. You aren’t even trying to be honest. You are stacking worst case upon worst case as if that means anything.
If your point is that given the right set of circumstances, a strain of flu can emerge that’s worse than this....no one is arguing that. There are flu pandemics that have killed 100 million.
The outbreak you are referring to is the worst flu season in 50 years in the US
But you are lying through your teeth trying to make it sound like this is analogous to the standard flu we are used to on an annual basis.
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We have a vaccine for the flu, that in its worse year, is 40% effective. I would say that is better mitigation than what we are doing.
What do you mean “in its worse year is 40% effective?” What does this even mean? I’m assuming you mean when the common strain in the US isn’t one of the virulent strains in the southern hemisphere and therefore the worst case scenario didn’t happen but people become ill with a milder illness.
Assuming it’s not, only half of adults even get the vaccine. So your “comparative mitigation” percentage is down to 20%
And if you think with all schools being closed, all restaurants being closed, and many places of business being closed resulted in less than a 20% mitigation of inter household interactions, you can add insanity with delusion.
In addition to that damning fact, you are completely ignoring the fundamental difference between seasonal flu and anything truely novel:
Even if you don’t get a flu vaccine, if you’ve had flu in the past you have SOMETHING your immune system can respond with. It might be not enough anymore to stop you from getting ill, but it’ll can be enough to mitigate the worst effects.
When something is novel, no one has anything. Even absent a vaccine, in future years this won’t be as dramatic an interest because people will have some degree of immunity to it. It might mutate enough to make them sick, but the hospitalization rate will be lower.
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Also, the 2017-2018 flu season, which per the CDC lasted from November to March, killed 81,000 people in America. We are on track to have 60,000 people die from this by August, which would be 7 months from the first case and 6 months from the first death.
Actually we are on track to reach that value by June, and seasonal flu doesn’t start like this one does. It’s not a series of radiated cases from a singular source.
The reason for the flu season is that’s typically the time frame that the climatical values result in a replication value of the virus to be greater than one (I.e., self sustaining infection). It doesn’t mean there aren’t tens of thousands of flu at the start of the season here in the US (I.e around a month and a half of the infection spread here for coronavirus )
Day one of the flu season is not the same as day one of the first coronavirus case.
Also, it’s telling you don’t even register what you are doing. You aren’t even trying to be honest. You are stacking worst case upon worst case as if that means anything.
If your point is that given the right set of circumstances, a strain of flu can emerge that’s worse than this....no one is arguing that. There are flu pandemics that have killed 100 million.
The outbreak you are referring to is the worst flu season in 50 years in the US
But you are lying through your teeth trying to make it sound like this is analogous to the standard flu we are used to on an annual basis.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:51 pm to Volvagia
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You do realize in spite of unprecedented mitigation measures, it’s killed as many Americans in a month that the “normal flu” does in a year? That isn’t statistical trickery, models, or expectations.
It’s a hard fact.
Why do you keep parroting this as if we do nothing at all to combat influenza?
we vaccinate ~40% of the population for influenza annually, concentrating in the high risk demos. Despite having approved anti-virals, management, and vaccinations a mean flu season will be roughly equivalent to the wuhan virus.
Social distancing, just slows the spread. It does nothing to mitigate severity, or decrease incidence.... unlike vaccinations which mitigate both.
Those are facts. Flu is mortality is heavily mitigated, COVID is just delayed.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:06 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:And the case fatality rate from the Diamond Princess that they used to estimate a 0.5% infection fatality rate has since doubled, which means the estimation they used for the IFR has also doubled, putting us at 1% IFR that has been estimated for quite some time. And that’s 10 more deadly than the seasonal flu, on top of being twice as contagious.
Solid, reliable information was public knowledge before any serious mitigation efforts were under way. But that solid information wouldn’t allow for sensational headlines or political grandstanding, so it was largely ignored.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:06 pm to Hot Carl
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No doctor has ever bugged you to get the flu vaccine. They bug you to get the flu shot. Not the same thing, though I am not qualified to explain the difference.
What the frick?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:12 pm to St Stooge
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No doctor has ever bugged you to get the flu vaccine. They bug you to get the flu shot. Not the same thing, though I am not qualified to explain the difference.
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What the frick?
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:15 pm to Strannix
Stupid science bitches
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:17 pm to buckeye_vol
The fatality rate is not .1 %.
You argued Trump’s Russian involvement for months. You argue just to argue. You live in clown word.
Honk. Honk.
You argued Trump’s Russian involvement for months. You argue just to argue. You live in clown word.
Honk. Honk.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:20 pm to Bayou
“There really isn't a Flu vaccine. You may think there is but there isn't anything to prevent it.”
Holy fricking shite. And this person is allowed to vote.
Holy fricking shite. And this person is allowed to vote.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:21 pm to AMS
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Why do you keep parroting this as if we do nothing at all to combat influenza?
I never said that or even implied that. What I said is we have done MORE to mitigate than with flu.
But the main point isn’t even that. Let’s say this mitigation is the same as a vaccination campaign as far as impact goes.
There are fewer than a hundred thousand US citizens who have been alive for anything with a highly communicable infectious disease mortality rate as high as this.
And it’s worth noting that the time frame I’m referring to right there includes a period before flu vaccines were wildly deployed.
It cracks me up that this is the latest goalpost shift of the muh flus has gone to.
It’s like we are completely pretending the weeks of arguments of these other causes of deaths being higher than COVID-19 so therefore this response was absurd never happened.
Amazing how that suddenly went away now it only slightly trails behind heart disease on a week to week mortality tracking.
I mean for fricks sake. What is it that you are actually arguing now?
That it’s just like the flu, like you’ve always said because you can’t be wrong, but really the flu is this really really bad pathogen that we’ve only marginalized to nothing significant because the flu has been mitigated by vaccines that we have concentrated on the most vulnerable.
Well shite son, you’ve sold me. In the absence of a vaccine you’ve proven the value of these draconian and borderline unconstitutional containment measures.
Thank you for making that case.
*angrily eats impossible whopper*
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:21 pm to Strannix
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You're a Communist
He doesn't understand economics. He learned economics from a guy who wasn't even an economist. Marx.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
Your anger fuels me
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Your anger fuels me
You'll probably need to find an alternate fuel source, comrade.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:29 pm to Volvagia
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It cracks me up that this is the latest goalpost shift of the muh flus has gone to.
It’s like we are completely pretending the weeks of arguments of these other causes of deaths being higher than COVID-19 so therefore this response never happened.
Amazing how that suddenly went away now it only slightly trails behind heart disease on a week to week mortality tracking.
Remember when the prevailing argument was that this was a big nothing because such a large percentage of the US deaths occurred in just one nursing home. Ahhhh simpler times.
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