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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:43 pm to Tmcgin
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If you think this is a hoax.. get out there and lick some handrails.
I wouldn't do that before the China virus came about
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:43 pm to Powerman
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I know him personally. He works and has a great job
If he's not disabled, he's close to it. His entire position is based only on his personal point of view. He's scared he will die. He thinks it's more reasonable to make everyone else suffer.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:44 pm to moneyg
They may lose $40k-$50k in earnings this month.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:45 pm to BigJim
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So that's why hospitals should use this time to ramp up capacity (PPE, respirators, beds, staffing).
This cannot go on indefinitely.
You cannot imagine how much you are oversimplifying the steps required and obstacles to overcome in ramping up capacity at the same time every delivery system in the world is doing the same. Gowns, vents, masks, pulmonologist, nurses, techs, environmental services workers, physical beds, etc. - none of that grows on trees. We are trying...
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:46 pm to moneyg
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His entire position is based only on his personal point of view.
Every epidemiological expert out there has been saying the exact same thing
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:47 pm to the808bass
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They may lose $40k-$50k in earnings this month.
And, it this because of the overwhelming demand that is preventing them from working, or the "potential for the overwhelming demand" that is doesn't yet exist but the OP says must drive our decisions?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:50 pm to VOR
Yeah. Everyone gonna downvote you. But if they were a public official and needed to make sure medical services remain available to their constituents, they would be doing the same things.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:50 pm to moneyg
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And, it this because of the overwhelming demand that is preventing them from working, or the "potential for the overwhelming demand" that is doesn't yet exist but the OP says must drive our decisions?
I'll give you a simple analogy
You're going 70 on the interstate and not paying much attention to the road. I'm in the passenger's seat and notice a wreck and traffic stop up ahead.
The logic you're using with what you're saying right now is there is no reason to break yet because you haven't slammed into the back of a car.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:50 pm to Powerman
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Every epidemiological expert out there has been saying the exact same thing
Anyone that doesn't specifically offer an analysis of the benefits (deaths with and without) of their proposed policy and then make a case against specific costs of their policy (major economic downturn) doesn't offer a valid opinion.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:52 pm to VOR
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The overwhelming demand on hospitals
Isn't happening.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:52 pm to Powerman
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Every epidemiological expert out there has been saying the exact same thing
No. Every epidemiological expert you listen to says the exact same thing. Not every "expert" is on the same page with this.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:55 pm to Powerman
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I'll give you a simple analogy
You're going 70 on the interstate and not paying much attention to the road. I'm in the passenger's seat and notice a wreck and traffic stop up ahead.
The logic you're using with what you're saying right now is there is no reason to break yet because you haven't slammed into the back of a car.
A better analogy would be I'm going 70 on I-10 here in Phoenix and you're in the passenger seat freaking out and screaming I need to hit the brakes because there's a horrible accident on I-10 in Los Angeles.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:55 pm to imjustafatkid
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Isn't happening.
The eff it's not. Highly dependent on where you are. In NYC, Nola, and Atlanta it absolutely is.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:56 pm to Powerman
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I'll give you a simple analogy
You're going 70 on the interstate and not paying much attention to the road. I'm in the passenger's seat and notice a wreck and traffic stop up ahead.
The logic you're using with what you're saying right now is there is no reason to break yet because you haven't slammed into the back of a car.
That's a simple analogy from a simple minded person.
You need to consider that slamming on the breaks could cause more problems for more people than if you slammed into the car. You need to consider that the people in the car wreck above might be dead already. You need to consider that they may clear it before you get there. You need to consider that those variables change continuously and you need to re-evaluate frequently.
You didn't consider any of that.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:57 pm to longwayfromLA
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The eff it's not. Highly dependent on where you are. In NYC, Nola, and Atlanta it absolutely is.
Therefore shut down every elective procedure across the country?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:58 pm to moneyg
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Therefore shut down every elective procedure across the country?
They didn’t cancel elective procedures for the next four months. Probably two weeks.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:01 pm to David_DJS
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I read somewhere else on this board that hospital staff all over the country outside of a few hotspots are having their hours cut back because elective procedures have been postponed because of COVID-19. Is that not the case? Or, are you thinking places like Phoenix will be looking like NYC soon?
I have a friend that is a surgical nurse and she has been laid off. We only have 47 cases here but that ramped pretty quick so maybe she'll get called back in to help....
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:04 pm to moneyg
When your business goes down 80 to 90% I would say that qualifies. Docs still have to run a business
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:04 pm to moneyg
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Therefore shut down every elective procedure across the country?
Not all of them. But most, yes. If you recall, 2 weeks ago there were 14 case in LA and 216 in New York. Most states have much more than that today. If you believe that your area is somehow immune, than doing nothing works fine. If you think that absent intervention, big case numbers are coming wherever you are, it makes sense to address demand by social distancing and supply by capacity management. And elective procedures have to make way for what's coming. I say that as someone who's life's vocation is pretty much helping health systems compete for elective procedures.
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