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re: I think millions died in China

Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:08 pm to
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The only thing that makes sense to me is that it is much deadlier than they say.


South Korea and Japan thoroughly disagree with what you think.
Posted by DCtiger1
Panama City Beach
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:09 pm to
Because all you do is post sensationalist bullshite
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18223 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:09 pm to
I hope you are right. It may be in an effort to dissuade panic. SK and JP were very aggressive upfront though.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
40141 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:12 pm to
Well, China is surely lying like crazy. That’s what commies do. But millions dead? Death rate higher than they’re telling us? No, that’s silly. The Diamond Princess cruise ship was quarantined with all on board. They had roughly:

- 3,000 on board
- 640 TOTAL cases
- 300 Cases with ANY symptoms (In other words, less than half the infected knew they had it)
- 8 Deaths (about 1.25%. It will go a little higher, and might end up as high as 2%)
- average age on board was 58!!!!
- 33% (1,000 people!) were over 70.

The actual death rate will be below 1%. This was apparent a week ago.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:13 pm to
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The only thing that makes sense to me is that it is much deadlier than they say.


then why aren't we seeing that here?
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18223 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:15 pm to
So you really think we are in the process of shutting down the entire planet because around 9,000 people died? That simply doesn't make sense to me in any way. There has got to be more about this than we know that they aren't telling us.
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 2:15 pm
Posted by DollaChoppa
I Simp for ACC
Member since May 2008
84774 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:16 pm to
A hot take by people who dont have any connections to china.
Posted by iAmBatman
The Batcave
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:17 pm to
I think everything else you post is some batshit crazy conspiracy theory so this probably is as well
Posted by Houdini
Member since Aug 2017
131 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:17 pm to
China quit testing and reporting to CDC officially on March 2nd. CDC was asked to leave the country. We will never know what has really happened there NK or Russia. All are off limits to CDC
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

There has got to be more about this than we know that they aren't telling us.


maybe

but we would know if millions died in China


Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:18 pm to
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So you really think we are in the process of shutting down the entire planet because around 9,000 people died?


Yes, I do.

quote:

That simply doesn't make sense to me in any way.


Which is why this whole thing is bullshite.

Posted by Hitchslap
Member since Mar 2020
11 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:18 pm to
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The crazy thing is that they probably don’t give a frick



You're not allowed to have more than 2 children in China so this is not surprising

Mao Zedong route
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
15480 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:21 pm to
Yea. That is a definite no. The numbers say that theyve had a lil over 3,000 deaths with 70,000 recovered.

Now I don't believe those numbers. Deaths is probably closer to 5 and maybe even 10k.

But to make a jump from 3k to 1 mill is a completely illogical jump.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
55291 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:21 pm to
Has Honkus given an update from his wife's family lately? That would be a good, first person, account.
Posted by lsutigermall
Plantation Trace
Member since Nov 2006
7301 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:23 pm to
No - I have a sales and service team in China and this is not true. They are beginning to get back to normal and even doing their jobs. Hong Kong too.

Italy - another story altogether...
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83668 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:23 pm to
Ok...

once again, this virus has been here in the US, and other places, for several months now

if it was that deadly, we would know

I realize you are an antivaxxer and conspiracy tard, but there is simple no evidence that millions of people died in China
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19840 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

millions died in China



I'm not saying that they did or didn't but people need to remember we are dealing with really big numbers. A couple million sounds outrageous and unthinkable but remember China has over a billion people. So now a couple million isn't really a huge number on that scale. I don't think most people can comprehend deaths beyond 100,000 (Tiger Stadium) so they seem to automatically dismiss fatality estimates that move beyond that scale.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
15480 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:28 pm to
Yea I just looked at the numbers. If they are accurate, as of today there have been 11,271 deaths. Italy alone accounts for 4,032 deaths. That is absolutely insane. Italy alone accounts for more than 1/3 of all Coronavirus deaths.

That is incomprehensible to me.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6586 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:29 pm to
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Well, China is surely lying like crazy. That’s what commies do. But millions dead? Death rate higher than they’re telling us? No, that’s silly. The Diamond Princess cruise ship was quarantined with all on board. They had roughly:

- 3,000 on board
- 640 TOTAL cases
- 300 Cases with ANY symptoms (In other words, less than half the infected knew they had it)
- 8 Deaths (about 1.25%. It will go a little higher, and might end up as high as 2%)
- average age on board was 58!!!!
- 33% (1,000 people!) were over 70.

The actual death rate will be below 1%. This was apparent a week ago.
Pretty much nailed it. The Stanford epidemiologist (Dr. Ioannidis) extended the Diamond Princess numbers onto the US population and it came out to .125%. Since the sample size was small that could be 5x more or less, so his estimated CFR range is .05% - .625%. That is a BIG range, but without mass testing EVERYBODY, not just the elderly and sick, its the best we can do.

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- 8 Deaths (about 1.25%. It will go a little higher, and might end up as high as 2%)
The Diamond Princess cases are pretty much said and done. It was long enough ago that those who contracted it should have already recovered or died. The CFR will likely stay the same.

If Iceland's random general population testing numbers are correct, Dr. Ioannidis's .05% number is looking very realistic. Basically the same number as seasonal flu.
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