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re: For the critics, define “approach at the plate”
Posted on 3/2/20 at 4:50 pm to ccomeaux
Posted on 3/2/20 at 4:50 pm to ccomeaux
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I get post #4 in a 6 yr span ? I'm honored sir.
Haha. Check the site every day but finally got bored enough at work to chime in. The quality of baseball, or lack thereof, over the weekend got me a little bit fired up.
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 4:52 pm to Lester Earl
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Sure they do, if you understand the philosophy to drive the ball hard in the air. HRs are a byproduct but not the goal, especially when you are dealing with amateur players.
Warning track power, Ks and runners stranded on third are the results of players going for the distance when they should be trying to hit the ball hard somewhere. I see HRs being the goal with too many of our guys.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 4:56 pm to josh336
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Mainieri hates theriot from his rant last year
Good. Fcuk Mainieri.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 5:17 pm to des4271
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Question is, do y'all think it's sometimes bad scouting and coaches giving bad calls on pitches ( I know you can't be right every time and call every pitch they throw in every pitch count ) or the batters just being clueless and can't pick up rotation of ball if they throw a pitch different than what they expect? Just baffles me how clueless they seem sometimes.
Wait.... do you think coaches are telling hitters what pitch is coming? That’s not how this works. At all.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 5:23 pm to CottonWasKing
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Wait.... do you think coaches are telling hitters what pitch is coming? That’s not how this works. At all.
Isn't that what the Astros got in trouble for?
Posted on 3/2/20 at 5:31 pm to Hot Carl
It's got to be simple, involving as little thinking as possible. At the plate, my one thought is to see the pitch and not think about what to do with it. What you do with it has to be totally instinctive - you develop the instinct with good mechanics (a whole other topic) that you learn through lots of specific T work/live cage work. That's when you do your thinking.
In a live game/pitch , I am thinking about nothing but seeing the ball, I instinctively will respond to what I see. I really believe you have to teach yourself to see the ball and trust your eyes.
As far as true approach , I am usually very aggressive. First pitch,I am sitting for a fastball in the zone. I see it, I swing. I see curve on a first pitch, I hold off. If that curve/offspeed is a ball, I'm sitting for a fastball again. If it's a strike I am gonna swing at the next curve that looks hittable. If I am down two, I am gonna go get the ball but not try to do too much with it.
The key to good mechanics is developing a good swing path to the ball until it is ingrained in your muscle memory. An inside out swing always worked for me - straight to the ball. Practice this off the T and with live work until you can't swing any other way.
I really believe that most hitters do not develop their ability to see the ball and swing at it with pure learned/ingrained instinct. Trying to outguess a pitcher leads to too much thinking. At the plate, overthinking kills.
Just my two cents...
In a live game/pitch , I am thinking about nothing but seeing the ball, I instinctively will respond to what I see. I really believe you have to teach yourself to see the ball and trust your eyes.
As far as true approach , I am usually very aggressive. First pitch,I am sitting for a fastball in the zone. I see it, I swing. I see curve on a first pitch, I hold off. If that curve/offspeed is a ball, I'm sitting for a fastball again. If it's a strike I am gonna swing at the next curve that looks hittable. If I am down two, I am gonna go get the ball but not try to do too much with it.
The key to good mechanics is developing a good swing path to the ball until it is ingrained in your muscle memory. An inside out swing always worked for me - straight to the ball. Practice this off the T and with live work until you can't swing any other way.
I really believe that most hitters do not develop their ability to see the ball and swing at it with pure learned/ingrained instinct. Trying to outguess a pitcher leads to too much thinking. At the plate, overthinking kills.
Just my two cents...
Posted on 3/2/20 at 5:37 pm to The Pirate King
quote:god you really are dumb
Our hitters are swinging and missing at too many pitches. Don’t really need to waste time past that.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 5:50 pm to Tigerbythetale
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Obviously knowing the pitchers tendencies and favorite pitches;
Too early in the season to know pitchers’ tendencies yet.
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being smart in choosing what to swing at. But beyond that make the pitcher work hard, throw as many pitches as possible
I’m not sure these sentences aren’t contradictory. Did you listen to all the backlash the Astros got for their sign stealing? If you are looking for a fastball middle-in—and looking for that pitch only—if you get it, it’s the same thing as knowing it’s coming. Whether is 0-0 or 2-0. Pitchers want to get ahead. The 1st pitch of your AB is liable to be the best one you see to drive the entire AB. No sense taking it to “make the pitcher work hard.”
Now, situations dictate a change in approach. So what I see most in this thread is that “approaches” should change based on several different factors. So we don’t have a general “bad approach,” we have multiple “bad approaches” based on situations and fans’ interpretations on what those approaches should be based on their/our biased preconceived notions on what is a good or bad approach. And our coaches have infinitely more data at their disposal than we do. So this sweeping generalization that we have one, overlaying “approach” that is taught by our coaches seems incorrect. I think the players have a lot more responsibility than most fans give them credit for.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:09 pm to CottonWasKing
Not on every pitch but in certain pitch counts and based on the pitchers tendencies within that pitch count. During some LSU games in previous years and this year, commentators say they looked fooled by the pitch and was looking for a fastball and got a curve or vice versa, where does that preconceived notion come from, the coach or players intuition or do you think Ben and others calling the game are just going on a hunch that that is what happened?
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:28 pm to Hot Carl
It entails getting more than 5 hits in a game like we have failed to do in a third of our games thus far.
It’s probably not just approach. Maybe we’re trying to make a shrimp poboy from Captain D’s.
It’s probably not just approach. Maybe we’re trying to make a shrimp poboy from Captain D’s.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:40 pm to des4271
There have been some good opinions and I’ll offer several of mine.
Bad form from several guys like Milano who steps toward 3rd and pull his shoulders out. I doubt any SEC pitchers throw him anything except out.
Garza and Bianca try to pull everything and rarely go opposite field.
Willis, Doughty, and Dugas pull their head and don’t watch the ball in.
Hampton squaring to sacrifice with Gio on first and wild pitch moves Gio up. Next TWO pitches Mo , instead of squaring to sacrifice makes last second attempts like he’s bunting for a hit even though D is playing the bunt AND both pitches were around his ankles. Square around and bunt Strike. No doubt this is a bad approach and bad coaching.
When a pitcher is literally throwing off speed 2 out of 3 pitches sit on offspeed.
All that being said sometimes the pitcher makes great pitches and gets you regardless of your approach.
Bad form from several guys like Milano who steps toward 3rd and pull his shoulders out. I doubt any SEC pitchers throw him anything except out.
Garza and Bianca try to pull everything and rarely go opposite field.
Willis, Doughty, and Dugas pull their head and don’t watch the ball in.
Hampton squaring to sacrifice with Gio on first and wild pitch moves Gio up. Next TWO pitches Mo , instead of squaring to sacrifice makes last second attempts like he’s bunting for a hit even though D is playing the bunt AND both pitches were around his ankles. Square around and bunt Strike. No doubt this is a bad approach and bad coaching.
When a pitcher is literally throwing off speed 2 out of 3 pitches sit on offspeed.
All that being said sometimes the pitcher makes great pitches and gets you regardless of your approach.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:41 pm to Tegre
Autocorrect Milazzo
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:00 pm to Penrod
"choking up"
Did you play baseball after age 9?
Did you play baseball after age 9?
Posted on 3/2/20 at 8:50 pm to Hot Carl
For me it goes back to the first game of the second series. We knew we were facing a soft lefty that throws mainly off speed. Any decent coach will tell you to think opposite field against guys like that. You will rollover or pop-up 9 times out of 10 if you try to pull those pitches. Granite, it’s a lot easier said than done but we didn’t make adjustments that entire game. That’s all on coaching. Approach to the plate is different in different situations and pitchers. Most times, you will go up to bat with the mindset of looking for that pitch you can crush early in the count. This approach changes when you get different kind of pitchers that’s, let say, throwing mainly off speed. Your approach will then be looking for something on the outer half or “soft”. Your approach will change with different counts and knowing from scouting reports of what the other teams like to throw in different situations. Hitting is far more than grabbing a bat, stepping in, and getting hits. You have to prepare on what you’re gonna face that day. My biggest problem is our situational hitting. We are giving up tons of opportunities when we are getting runners to 3rd with less than 2 outs and not getting those guys in. The bad thing, they know they aren’t getting it done and start pressing in those situations. Your approach to the plate should change in those situations to get runners across. Most times pitchers won’t throw much to hit when you have a base open and a runner on 3rd. You have to expect it. We aren’t changing our approach and getting fooled by offspeed pitches early in the count. Again, that’s all on coaching to prepare guys on what their “approach” is in any situation.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 4:40 am to Hot Carl
Simply put...Put the ball in play
Posted on 3/3/20 at 5:03 am to drob
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choking up"
Did you play baseball after age 9?
Ever notice Bregman with 2 strikes? Does it every time as do many. It’s about protecting the plate.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 5:14 am to justice
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Our hitters are swinging and missing at too many pitches. Don’t really need to waste time past that.
god you really are dumb
Read this is you think he is dumb. LINK
“We're striking out entirely too much,” Mainieri said.
“Those arms shouldn't double-digit strike out us every game,” sophomore first baseman Cade Beloso said
Posted on 3/3/20 at 8:11 am to The Pirate King
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Why do we need to get this technical? The bats aren’t producing. It’s as simple as that.
This is your typical Ranter and is code for "I have no idea how the game of baseball is played, but I hate Paul Mainieri, and I'm going to show up at the first sign of adversity and shake my impotent fists on an anonymous message board because it's the only thing I know how to do".
Twice if it's this PARTICULAR Ranter.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 8:13 am to JohnnyU
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Maybe we’re trying to make a shrimp poboy from Captain D’s.
I'm totally stealing this line.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 8:17 am to Hot Carl
Scouting opposition and trying to force them in to pitches that aren’t their best. Do not swing at first pitch breaking balls. Shorten your swing with two strikes and put the ball in play. Learn to fukin bunt .
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