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re: "I was imprisoned for my beliefs. I want to give the government more power"
Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:54 am to uway
Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:54 am to uway
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Kicking someone out of a country is far worse than forcing them to pay reasonable taxes.
Not really. But we're not talking about kicking them out the country. We were talking about your hypothetical community starting from scratch.
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:55 am to Jcorye1
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The government uses threat of violence, imprisonment, and fines to make sure you pay your taxes. How is that not theft? If I take a gun, point it someone's face, take their money, a theft ... took place.
Not if you were hired by a community to collect taxes and a member of that community was refusing to pay taxes that the community agreed to levy as a condition of being part of that community.
Killing someone isn't always murder. Punching someone isn't always assault.
Taking someone's money isn't always theft.
And getting older isn't always growing up.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
Taking = sharing
They don't even know the meaning of basic words.
They don't even know the meaning of basic words.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:59 am to uway
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Taking someone's money isn't always theft.
It is when it's not voluntary.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:00 am to Putty
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And continue to double down by promising more free shite to get elected and enrich themselves, and then pointing a bigger gun at the folks trying to get by and demanding more of their hard earned money to pay for it....theft.
That's not same as saying "taxation is theft". You sound like you are unhappy with certain aspects of the current tax and spend scheme.
I'm with you on that, just don't start imagining the Putty will ever live a tax-free existence.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
Chelseas political views are of a child. Simplistic and silly.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:06 am to Centinel
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It is when it's not voluntary
When you said this before, I said this
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So what would you do when a member of the community wanted to share in the benefits of living in a community but refused to contribute?
The threat/use of force is also inescapable.
You responded that we should "kick them out of the community". What would this look like in America in 2020?
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:10 am to Centinel
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quote:
Taking someone's money isn't always theft.
It is when it's not voluntary.
Mob politics = theft.
Taking anything that belongs to someone else by force is theft.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 9:17 am
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
He'll always be Bradley regardless of the hair and makeup.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:23 am to uway
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You responded that we should "kick them out of the community".
Again, that was the response to your hypothetical startup community.
Try to pay attention please.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
Nice use of emojis
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:29 am to SlowFlowPro
Anybody that says the rich don't pay taxes should not be taken seriously in any way. We have a ridiculously progressive tax system here.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:31 am to Centinel
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Again, that was the response to your hypothetical startup community.
My premise is that the same principles apply regardless of the size of the community, once it gets beyond family-sized.
But if you need a specific question:
What should we do to people who refuse to pay taxes in modern day America?
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
He wasn't imprisoned for his beliefs. He was imprisoned for passing along top secret information.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:48 am to uway
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According to Google, the first known taxation took place in Egypt about 5,000 years ago. It might be time to stop melting about the CONCEPT of taxation.
If you started a human community from scratch, you would need a sharing of responsibilities for it to work, and it would eventually evolve into a tax. It's inescapable.
And frankly the "taxation is theft" mantra is childish and boring.
You still didn't explain how forcibly taking money from someone isn't theft
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:49 am to upgrayedd
quote:Read Hobbes.
Please explain to me how taxation is not theft
You are free to live elsewhere.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:52 am to AggieHank86
Also not an answer, but thanks
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:57 am to upgrayedd
OK, I will summarize social contract theory for you.
If you choose to live in a given society, you implicitly agree to pay part of the cost of maintaining that society,
This theory does not work for a totalitarian society, where you cannot leave. We are not such a society. You are free to leave.
If you choose to live in a given society, you implicitly agree to pay part of the cost of maintaining that society,
This theory does not work for a totalitarian society, where you cannot leave. We are not such a society. You are free to leave.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:00 am to AggieHank86
I'm aware of the social contract theory.
Why won't people just admit that it's legal thievery?
When people are executed, the cause of death is listed as homicide. Why won't people just admit that it's a government sanctioned theft campaign?
Why won't people just admit that it's legal thievery?
When people are executed, the cause of death is listed as homicide. Why won't people just admit that it's a government sanctioned theft campaign?
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