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re: "I was imprisoned for my beliefs. I want to give the government more power"
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:02 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:02 am to upgrayedd
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You still didn't explain how forcibly taking money from someone isn't theft
By definition, it's legal and therefore not theft.
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Why won't people just admit that it's legal thievery?
Because that's a contradiction in terms.
And it's just really not helpful. I want our government to be populated by people who find taxation distasteful but levy reasonable taxes as needed and then exercise their spending powers with true restraint and good sense.
I think all of this "taxation is theft" stuff does very little to contribute to that goal, and it's just immature, IMO.
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 10:07 am
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:03 am to uway
quote:
By definition, it's legal and therefore not theft.
That's nonsense.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:06 am to upgrayedd
quote:Because most people are honest and recognize that they should pay some of the cost if they are accepting the benefits.
I'm aware of the social contract theory.
Why won't people just admit that it's legal thievery?
I often wish that the US government would fence a few hundred thousand acres of raw federal land and let every “taxes are theft” moron move there, with the proviso that they can never return to the remainder of the US. Not for medical care. Not for use of the courts. Nothing. Ever.
I doubt there would be many takers.
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
He’s an idiot
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:08 am to upgrayedd
quote:
That's nonsense.
"Theft" is a word with a definition. That definition excludes legal taking of money.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:11 am to uway
“I choose to drive on a tollway. They want me to pay? Thievery!!!!”
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:11 am to uway
Semantics
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:13 am to uway
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If you started a human community from scratch, you would need a sharing of responsibilities for it to work, and it would eventually evolve into a tax.
Thats nice.
And those in that made up community that were not able to contribute with money would be mandated to do work for the community. Also, your made up community analogy implies the money would be specifically for community needs and not be spent on community leaders pay, benefits, pensions nor spent on studies to analyze why fish act the way they do when given cocaine or why so many lesbodians are overweight, or other childish and boring things etc,etc.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:15 am to AggieHank86
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“I choose to drive on a tollway. They want me to pay? Thievery!!!!”
I love how Hank constantly claims to be libertarian then goes on to prove that he's in no way a libertarian
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:15 am to upgrayedd
quote:Only a handful of states designate the deaths of executed inmates homicides, Kahan said today. Most carry designations denoting the death was a result of an execution. LINK
When people are executed, the cause of death is listed as homicide. Why won't people just admit that it's a government sanctioned theft campaign?
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:16 am to AggieHank86
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Only a handful of states designate the deaths of executed inmates homicides, Kahan said today. Most carry designations denoting the death was a result of an execution
Ok, so it's legally sanctioned homicide. Thanks.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:19 am to upgrayedd
quote:Another poster who cannot grasp the distinction between a utopian ideal and practical application.
I love how Hank constantly claims to be libertarian then goes on to prove that he's in no way a libertarian
In any case, a libertarian society would have a social contract (implicit or more likely explicit) and taxes, too. The terms of the contract would just be different, and the taxes would be lower.
I know of very few libertarians who advocate for either no government or a government which provides zero services. Those people are called “anarchists.”
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 10:21 am
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:20 am to AggieHank86
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I know of very few libertarians who advocate for either no government or a government which provides zero services. Those people are called “anarchists.”
Don't forget the socialist libertarians.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:21 am to uway
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The threat/use of force is also inescapable.
Not really. The old school way was first establishing as a foundational belief, a sense of duty to the community. The "force/threat" was being shunned or banished from that community.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:23 am to upgrayedd
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I love how Hank constantly claims to be libertarian then goes on to prove that he's in no way a libertarian
Liberal Hank
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:24 am to Centinel
quote:????
Don't forget the socialist libertarians.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:26 am to upgrayedd
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Semantics
No
It would be semantics if I was trying to justify a tyrannical use of the taxing power by saying "well, it's legal, so it must be ok", but that's not what we are talking about.
When you say "taxation is theft", you are implying that there is no justifiable taxation.
You can make a solid argument that some specific taxes, certain levels of taxation, taxation without representation, double taxation, etc amount to "theft", but you can't be taken seriously if you deny that there is such a thing as justifiable taxation.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:27 am to Centinel
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Don't forget the socialist libertarians.
My favorite are the anarcho-communists
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:27 am to AggieHank86
One of the posters that used to frequent here called himself a "socialist libertarian"
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Hmm.
The wealthy don't pay taxes...………...fascinating imagination
The wealthy don't pay taxes...………...fascinating imagination
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