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re: Probably the best melt thread after the O hire
Posted on 12/13/19 at 11:55 pm to togar tiger
Posted on 12/13/19 at 11:55 pm to togar tiger
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This one was pretty good after we missed out on Mario Goodrich and Surtain
I mean O has proved all of us wrong but he did frick up here. He's learned from it though.
We took Tae Provens, Dantrieze Scott, Zach Sheffer, Dominic Livingston, Kenan Jones, Davin Cotton, and Kelvin Joseph over Goodrich. That shite fricking sucked because we were so thin at DB. All of those players have transferred. Our 2018 class outside of about 8 players is a disaster
. Looks like we fixed that in 2019 and will have another awesome class in 2020. We will need them to play early next season because we will be light and I mean very light on experienced/good true juniors/RS Sophomores.This post was edited on 12/14/19 at 12:01 am
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Posted on 12/14/19 at 12:26 am to TigerLunatik
Ben Coleman is smiling from heaven. All the while the Negatiger scum of the earth is loving and hating life by the minute. When you are born wrong you end wrong. Losers will be always losers. Ben - greatest LSU fan on TD all time. Winner all the way to the end and beyond...
Posted on 12/14/19 at 12:29 am to Shiftyplus1
Big man to admit he is wrong. The only way the rantards do that is by slowing down their posting. Then when Okie scores their first TD in the playoff game they will be back for a brief moment.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 12:33 am to PhiTiger1764
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Let’s not pretend like EVERYONE was not totally with Moscona on this..
I wasn't....look at my posts. I knew O would kill it. It was obvious at USC ...but the liberal dumbfricks out there were too judgemental to hire the man..even with Coaches and players begging for the hire....I was always behind the man, and I am so proud of him...
Posted on 12/14/19 at 12:48 am to LSUsmartass
There were very good reasons to be critical of the Orgeron hire.
Most of the people praising the hire had nothing more than blind faith for their reasons.
These threads calling out people that didn't like what they were seeing are silly. Orgeron knocked it out of the park with the Joe Brady hire and by getting Burrow to come here. If either one of those hadn't happened we might all be calling for Orgeron to be fired right now. And that's what most were worried about.
If we win it all this year, Orgeron will be in line for a raise. How much money will we be willing to pay our coordinators when that happens? Hopefully we win it all and can keep our coordinators. Things will get interesting when they leave.
Most of the people praising the hire had nothing more than blind faith for their reasons.
These threads calling out people that didn't like what they were seeing are silly. Orgeron knocked it out of the park with the Joe Brady hire and by getting Burrow to come here. If either one of those hadn't happened we might all be calling for Orgeron to be fired right now. And that's what most were worried about.
If we win it all this year, Orgeron will be in line for a raise. How much money will we be willing to pay our coordinators when that happens? Hopefully we win it all and can keep our coordinators. Things will get interesting when they leave.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 1:25 am to LSUsmartass
Is this where we pretend in hindsight that a bean counting a-hole like Joe Alleva kept Ed Orgeron because he really thought he was the best coach available?
Is this where we pretend that Joe Alleva didn't hire Orgeron because he was cheap, he didn't make the effort to look at other coaches and just wanted to piss off the fans and take his ball and go home after the Jimbo and Herman fiasco?
We should be happy that Ed Orgeron is working out so far for us but let's not pretend this was some evil genius plan from Joe Alleva when it's really the world's most successful accident ever.
Like tripping on a stick in the grass and falling down onto a nice pair of tits.
Is this where we pretend that Joe Alleva didn't hire Orgeron because he was cheap, he didn't make the effort to look at other coaches and just wanted to piss off the fans and take his ball and go home after the Jimbo and Herman fiasco?
We should be happy that Ed Orgeron is working out so far for us but let's not pretend this was some evil genius plan from Joe Alleva when it's really the world's most successful accident ever.
Like tripping on a stick in the grass and falling down onto a nice pair of tits.
This post was edited on 12/14/19 at 1:33 am
Posted on 12/14/19 at 4:43 am to LSUsmartass
I will say it again..once Texas got involved Tom Herman was not coming. The time to go after Herman and get him was the year before when they should probably have fired Miles that November. Even then iMO Herman leaves a LSU for Texas in 2017.
Some of us thought Orgeron was a good hire at the time.. as our talent level had gone down so much. Whatever.
Moscona made an arse out of himself in this process. Moscona and many others level of denial of the fact that Herman was not coming and Fisher was not coming regardless of the money was laughable.
Some of us thought Orgeron was a good hire at the time.. as our talent level had gone down so much. Whatever.
Moscona made an arse out of himself in this process. Moscona and many others level of denial of the fact that Herman was not coming and Fisher was not coming regardless of the money was laughable.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 6:08 am to LSUsmartass
Every time I see one of these, I immediately start checking to see if I posted in the thread.
I was not a fan of the hire.
I was not a fan of the hire.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 6:35 am to LSUsmartass
quote:This "melt" was far far more a critique of Alleva than of CEO, and in that regard, it was dead on correct.
Probably the best melt thread after the O hire
Alleva never once gave the feeling that CEO was a top-choice for the job. He never came close to making that case. He did not even attempt it.
Instead, Alleva painted Herman as the next Urban Meyer, and Fisher as a man who'd have LSU in a National Title hunt every year. Alleva openly went after them, and both shut him down.
Meanwhile, he made zero effort to promote the Orgeron resume. There was not a word from Alleva about Orgeron's organizational skills, his growth as a manager since the Ole Miss debacle and why he was different now, or his popularity as a choice among staff and players.
Alleva was an imbecile. At the end of "I am the search," he left LSU looking the ugly girl at the dance with no dance partner. He settled on Orgeron because he couldn't land anyone. It made CEO look bad. It made the university look bad. It was par for the course for Alleva. GoodDamnRiddance!
Regardless of CEO's ultimate success here, Alleva left LSU, one of the nation's elite programs, looking like a two-bit alsoran after his search process. He was an administrative spastic.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 6:39 am to mhc4tigers
quote:Except for Alleva as AD, that is a ridiculous premise.
Fisher was not coming regardless of the money
Luckily it worked out.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 7:06 am to LSUsmartass
I know we’re all loving the MMQBing of the reactions. But Matt wasn’t wrong. Two things were true:
- Joe Alleva was a tool
- Joe Alleva bungled the “search”
It was embarrassing to the university and no one can deny that no matter how it’s worked out. From “I am the search”, to Jimbo saying no thanks, to the leaks about Herman, then the rush to beat Texas to the podium to clearly save face. It was a shitshow and quite frankly I shouldn’t have expected anything different. None of us should’ve.
I’m beyond excited for Coach O. I’ve never been so happy to be wrong. He’s clearly got a passion for this university that you’d be hard pressed to find another coach in the country with a greater one. And he’s endured the bullshite and risen to a new level. And I respect the hell out of that. The awards and accolades are very well deserved.
But I for one am very glad the Alleva tenure is over.
- Joe Alleva was a tool
- Joe Alleva bungled the “search”
It was embarrassing to the university and no one can deny that no matter how it’s worked out. From “I am the search”, to Jimbo saying no thanks, to the leaks about Herman, then the rush to beat Texas to the podium to clearly save face. It was a shitshow and quite frankly I shouldn’t have expected anything different. None of us should’ve.
I’m beyond excited for Coach O. I’ve never been so happy to be wrong. He’s clearly got a passion for this university that you’d be hard pressed to find another coach in the country with a greater one. And he’s endured the bullshite and risen to a new level. And I respect the hell out of that. The awards and accolades are very well deserved.
But I for one am very glad the Alleva tenure is over.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 8:01 am to NC_Tigah
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Alleva never once gave the feeling that CEO was a top-choice for the job. He never came close to making that case. He did not even attempt it.
Instead, Alleva painted Herman as the next Urban Meyer, and Fisher as a man who'd have LSU in a National Title hunt every year. Alleva openly went after them, and both shut him down.
Meanwhile, he made zero effort to promote the Orgeron resume. There was not a word from Alleva about Orgeron's organizational skills, his growth as a manager since the Ole Miss debacle and why he was different now, or his popularity as a choice among staff and players.
Very true. So much so that I don't recall many threads clamoring for Orgeron to be hired in the first place. Only reactionary threads claiming it was the right/wrong choice. Leading up to the hire it was all about Herman/Jimbo, as well as a couple other candidates. Notsomuch Orgeron.
I'd love for the people starting these threads to go find the threads saying how sure they were that Orgeron was the right man for the job before he was hired.
This post was edited on 12/14/19 at 8:02 am
Posted on 12/14/19 at 8:01 am to Bottom9
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Our 2018 class outside of about 8 players is a disaster
Outside of the Heisman trophy winner, bilitnekopff winner, groza runner up, and 5 other starters, yea it sucked
Mario Goodrich hasn’t started a game in two years
Posted on 12/14/19 at 8:08 am to LSUsmartass
Bencoleman, May he RIP
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All of you remember your words when LSU is contending next year or the next. Remember so you can still criticize.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 8:11 am to Lester Earl
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Outside of the Heisman trophy winner, bilitnekopff winner, groza runner up, and 5 other starters, yea it sucked
Damone Clark will be a force in 2020.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 8:21 am to Swagga
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I think a lot of the frustration with the O hire was with Alleva’s process. The entire firing les / keeping les, missing jimbo, then firing les, then going after Herman and missing, and then ultimately hiring O had people fuming. Obviously O worked out, but Alleva really fricked it up to get there.
There’s a lot of bobbing and weaving on this board to avoid acknowledging that Joe fricking Alleva may have made the best football AND basketball head coaching hires in the HISTORY of our university (which is all we normally care about from the AD). And then we fired him.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 8:28 am to The First Cut
Clark
Chase
Marshall
Hines
Rosenthal
Are all starters or future starters
Joseph would have been.
Burrow, Damien Lewis, and Cole Tracy
People rag on that class but in the end that is about what you would get out of most good classes.
Every class has guys that turn out to be no good. What happened with this one was they all left within a year or 2. Historically they’d stick around longer, but this is a new era of college football LSU fans are having trouble adapting too.
Chase
Marshall
Hines
Rosenthal
Are all starters or future starters
Joseph would have been.
Burrow, Damien Lewis, and Cole Tracy
People rag on that class but in the end that is about what you would get out of most good classes.
Every class has guys that turn out to be no good. What happened with this one was they all left within a year or 2. Historically they’d stick around longer, but this is a new era of college football LSU fans are having trouble adapting too.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 8:30 am to LSUsmartass
Matt also did what every other fan that didn’t want Coach O do, and that was get on his band wagon and take that ride. You are bringing up old news that doesn’t mean shite now. Get over it.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 8:40 am to David Bowman
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Alleva may have made the best football AND basketball head coaching hires in the HISTORY of our university (which is all we normally care about from the AD). And then we fired him.
He also screwed up a ton of things along the way.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 8:42 am to LSUsmartass
Matt embarrasses himself a lot with this kind of thing, but he means well.
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