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re: The great trout debate
Posted on 9/10/19 at 3:00 pm to choupiquesushi
Posted on 9/10/19 at 3:00 pm to choupiquesushi
But there's none of that on land.
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Posted on 9/10/19 at 3:07 pm to AlxTgr
Yeah, you take a winter like '17 where there were 4 hard freezes, one of which lasted 4 successive days, and it kills the population like nothing else.
In my neck of the woods, guys were given tickets for possessing over the limit without having a rod in the boat. Creel limit is 25 daily, and you can possess 2 limits. So that means they were caught with 51+, and none of them undersized.
You can imagine how many trout froze. I have a radar image saved on my phone in Nov '17 showing snow over Last Island. Fishing last winter of '18 I made no trips. Zero. Not one decent report, when you usually do better in the winter than we do in the summer.
Things will be better this winter, unless we have an unusually cold one again.
In my neck of the woods, guys were given tickets for possessing over the limit without having a rod in the boat. Creel limit is 25 daily, and you can possess 2 limits. So that means they were caught with 51+, and none of them undersized.
You can imagine how many trout froze. I have a radar image saved on my phone in Nov '17 showing snow over Last Island. Fishing last winter of '18 I made no trips. Zero. Not one decent report, when you usually do better in the winter than we do in the summer.
Things will be better this winter, unless we have an unusually cold one again.
This post was edited on 9/10/19 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 9/10/19 at 3:12 pm to wahoocs
How long will this summer's 11" trout be in one year?
Posted on 9/10/19 at 3:36 pm to AlxTgr
I will say this, I can't recall ever catching as many 11" trout as we did this year.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 4:20 pm to AlxTgr
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But there's none of that on land.
During high tide, a lot of the "land" you are referring to is underwater. This rising and falling of the water through the vegetation, not to mention all the edges created in the small pockets of water in this grassy marsh, is vital to fish, shrimp, crabs, etc. It's where the food chain begins.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 4:28 pm to AlxTgr
Depends on male vs female, but they will be keepers in the marsh by Nov-Dec
Posted on 9/10/19 at 10:04 pm to bearhc
Saying you use live shrimp and saying you are better than the average fisherman doesn’t compute
Posted on 9/11/19 at 4:39 am to lsuson
I think they should let people keep trout of any size. The reason is the average guy/guide is using live shrimp with a treble hook. How many of those undersized trout die due to the mangling they take from the hook. Lower the limit to 15 and let the guides get done sooner with less small fish being mangled to catch the keeper sizes. Going to a 14 inch min will make it worse. Bottom line the loss of habitat coupled with the increase o freshwater s the main reason trout populations are down. Unfortunately those variable are not going to improve so something needs to be done.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:11 am to iron banks
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iron banks
You serious, Clark?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:21 am to bearhc
Im all for a statewide drop to no more than 10(5-8 in some areas)specs per day and 14". Or maybe even a slot of 10'-16"
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:27 am to drbaseball
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I actually agree with Redneck on this one. The guides should get a higher limit because that’s their living.
I get your point, but keep in mind, guides are not paid per fish. Lowering the limit would somewhat make their jobs easier
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:39 am to Lord_Ford
Yes I am serious. How hard is it to understand that all those throw back have a high mortality rate after swallowing a live shrimp with a treble hook. I have watched guide boats tossing dozens and dozens of small trout back after being mortally wounded. Better to let them keep them and then go target reds. Less small fish exposed to that style of fishing. I am in agreement that the fishery is not what it use to be. Management needs to happen. I just see it differently than most. BTW, I don't fish with live bait but the majority of summer/fall fishermen do. Heck live bait is available almost all year now.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:25 am to iron banks
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live shrimp with a treble hook
Isn't it illegal to fish live bait with a treble hook?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:39 am to iron banks
The next time I see a guide using a treble hook with live bait will be the first time. Most guides use circle hooks, easier to remove, few gut hooks, no need to set it, and most importantly its hardest for them to get hooked themselves by clients.
You know why most guides use live bait? Because they don't want 4 people on their boat throwing lures with double treble hooks.
You know why most guides use live bait? Because they don't want 4 people on their boat throwing lures with double treble hooks.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 8:41 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:48 am to baldona
They should manage the fishery estuary by estuary, I really think the freeze in 2018 affected things, as well as the amount of freshwater that has been dumped the last few yrs. I fish mostly out of Cocodrie and never saw so many small fish as I did this summer. Only went about 5x, but each trip we probably threw back 50 Fish +.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:42 am to baldona
Circle for inshore????
Kahle are the most popular here followed by 1/16 oz jighead which i use. Some guides do use trebles but it's very few. Would have to be some top notch fishermen for me to allow all to use multiple trebles. Long needle nose can get a hook out that's deep without killing the fish if you are careful.
Kahle are the most popular here followed by 1/16 oz jighead which i use. Some guides do use trebles but it's very few. Would have to be some top notch fishermen for me to allow all to use multiple trebles. Long needle nose can get a hook out that's deep without killing the fish if you are careful.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:29 am to TJG210
The freeze was '17, not '18
I made 6 trips this summer, and we fished 2 or 3 in the boat, and we literally threw back 150+ undersize on 4 of those trips, with 100 on the other two trips.
2 normal winters here, and things will be back to normal, but anything the state of LA puts its hands on turns to shite, so I'm sure the fishing will soon be super great like it is in Big Lake since they put their hands on there.
I made 6 trips this summer, and we fished 2 or 3 in the boat, and we literally threw back 150+ undersize on 4 of those trips, with 100 on the other two trips.
2 normal winters here, and things will be back to normal, but anything the state of LA puts its hands on turns to shite, so I'm sure the fishing will soon be super great like it is in Big Lake since they put their hands on there.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:20 pm to Saskwatch
quote:Nope not in LA.. but if you caught a world record like that - it wouldn't count.
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live shrimp with a treble hook
Isn't it illegal to fish live bait with a treble hook?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:21 pm to iron banks
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the increase o freshwater s the main reason trout populations are down
:rotflmao:
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:35 pm to AlxTgr
Did no one read the book Vanishing Paradise? Fifteen years ago it predicted that this exact thing would happen due to habitat degradation. It's all based on the amount of shoreline & transition areas and the different stages of marsh erosion. At first when marsh starts to break up, the amount of productive fish habitat actually increases. But after a certain point, there's a sharp drop off as the marsh becomes more open water. Eventually it will cause the fishery to collapse (or at least be drastically reduced).
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