re: Has anyone know about the process to get dog hunting banned in a NF?

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Removing hunting on public lands will happen eventually, and I hope it happens sooner than later

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Wow. So you are against hunting on public land?

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Removing dog hunting on public lands will happen eventually, and I hope it happens sooner than later.

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I hope it doesn’t and have written to several congressmen about people wanting to restrict the size bucks you kill and have talked to Rob Shadoin personally about it. I’ve brought up dog hunters with them also. There is way more support to keep being able to choose the size bucks you kill according to all I’ve talked to, regarding dog hunters it’s 50/50. I know too many dog hunters or former ones who’ve been forced out due to Weyerhaeuser and hate it for them. I’ve told all congressmen and Mr Shadoin I support dog hunters though. I’ve urged as many as possible to contact their congressmen about all that, especially not making a limit to size bucks being killed. I don’t need someone else deciding what I can do regarding hunting just to make it their way, the laws we have now are enough.

I don’t understand why people want to hunt with dogs. In the old days dogs were used because there were far less deer. I wish they would let the entire state vote to keep or ban dog hunting. I would be willing to bet it would be outlawed.

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I don’t understand why people want to hunt with dogs.

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I don’t either, too damn expensive and seems like a pain in the arse, but it’s not for us to understand if we don’t care to

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I wish they would let the entire state vote to keep or ban dog hunting.

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Shitty take, next thing we can vote to ban hunting and fishing altogether. You’d probably be fine with that also

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I don’t understand why people want to hunt with dogs. In the old days dogs were used because there were far less deer. I wish they would let the entire state vote to keep or ban dog hunting. I would be willing to bet it would be outlawed.

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This is a terrible idea. When we start letting public opinion decide management practices for hunting that should be science based, we end up with hunting being voted out entirely. Look at bear hunting in NJ, etc...

Public opinion is not what should rule the day on hunting management because the public is ill informed and manipulated by emotion.

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Science shows population of dog hunters have decreased and deer have increased over the years.

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Correlation does not equal causality. I am certain deer populations would have risen regardless.

Not allowing someone to exercise their right on PUBLIC LAND because it doesn't conform with your ideals is pretty short sighted.

That being said, dog hunters have the reputation they do because there have been and are problems with them not policing their dogs well. But I have no problem with dedicated dog hunting seasons or still hunting seasons.

Many public lands are managed in such a way that one activity is given preference over another during certain periods of time. I hunt in OK and it is common for small game to be closed during archery season and and the first 9 days of deer gun season. Or for all hunting activities outside of draw hunts to be closed during the draw hunts.

But that's up to the USFS and WLF folks to decide how they want to manage the land, population and seasons. It isn't and shouldn't be a public vote.

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And for those that say dog hunters are lazy, it's way more work than sitting in a stand staring at a pile of rice bran all day.

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Well, to be fair, on USFS land they aren't allowed to stair at a pile of rice bran. Baiting is illegal on public land in LA.

And killing deer consistently on public land in LA is a lot of work no matter how you go about doing it.

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Not allowing someone to exercise their right on PUBLIC LAND because it doesn’t conform with your ideals is pretty short sighted.
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I said it once and I’ll say it again,what happened at KNF was not a deer dog issue but a slob hunter issue.If the dog hunters had stayed on public land I don’t think it would have banned.Where the problem came from was the dog hunters racing up and down the roads in front of peoples houses,taking stands on public roads,blatantly trespassing on private property,just generally acting like A-holes.You won’t find many anti-hunters in Grant Parish,the problem came from the dog hunters scaring the crap of the local residents.Who wants to be driving down the blacktop road going home and some yahoo is standing on the shoulder with a high powered rifle,or in your front yard like happened to my dad.
I was in a club once that dog hunted,we didn’t hunt out of trucks and 4wheelers.We would make a guess which way the deer were going to run,walk through the woods and take a stand.If we lined up on a road we stayed the legally required 100 feet from the road and face our property.We never had any conflicts with the adjoining landowners.
Eventually the timber company disallowed dog hunting on their properties,so that was that.The many have to suffer for the bad actions of the few.

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I can definitely see the allure of hunting deer with beagles.

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You should experience it with big dogs like redbones, black and tans, or walkers at least once. The hounds are on a different level than beagles (like NFL vs college).