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re: Has anyone know about the process to get dog hunting banned in a NF?
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:15 am to dfintlyHmmrd
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:15 am to dfintlyHmmrd
Wrong. I said in this thread I was open to other view points. Hikers, bow hunters, campers, etc only need a few square feet of forest for their activity. Bad apples within this group are isolated. They can be managed. DH's need hundreds of acres, and do not stay on their designated areas. They disrupt everyone else using the forest. If you want hunting to continue on public lands, you need to be respectful of others and follow the laws, which they don't. Removing dog hunting on public lands will happen eventually, and I hope it happens sooner than later.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 9:24 am
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:23 am to AUCE05
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Removing hunting on public lands will happen eventually, and I hope it happens sooner than later
Wow. So you are against hunting on public land?
Posted on 7/30/19 at 10:01 am to AUCE05
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Removing dog hunting on public lands will happen eventually, and I hope it happens sooner than later.
I hope it doesn’t and have written to several congressmen about people wanting to restrict the size bucks you kill and have talked to Rob Shadoin personally about it. I’ve brought up dog hunters with them also. There is way more support to keep being able to choose the size bucks you kill according to all I’ve talked to, regarding dog hunters it’s 50/50. I know too many dog hunters or former ones who’ve been forced out due to Weyerhaeuser and hate it for them. I’ve told all congressmen and Mr Shadoin I support dog hunters though. I’ve urged as many as possible to contact their congressmen about all that, especially not making a limit to size bucks being killed. I don’t need someone else deciding what I can do regarding hunting just to make it their way, the laws we have now are enough.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 10:13 am to windshieldman
I wrote to a representative a few years ago about my displeasure of Jackson/Bienville wma, how hunting in Louisiana is changing regarding people pushing antler restrictions and at that time dog hunting was being taken out. I don’t remember his name now but it was the one out of I believe Jonesboro or Quitman area. He basically wrote back saying you could forget it as far as JB wma, we gonna lose it. His take on dog hunting was it’s become less common due to cost and kids these days and younger adults just aren’t into it as much. But it’s given a chance for still hunters to push back against dog hunters due to less dog hunters out there. Basically it’s a power grab and still hunters are able to gobble up all the leases now while dog hunters are being moved out. I agree, same with public land. Less dog hunters is more room for us and less in our way and more land to hunt, but we can pretend it’s in the name of safety and herd health (BS) I still think it’s shitty
I can look up his letter and get the name
I can look up his letter and get the name
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 10:19 am to windshieldman
I don’t understand why people want to hunt with dogs. In the old days dogs were used because there were far less deer. I wish they would let the entire state vote to keep or ban dog hunting. I would be willing to bet it would be outlawed.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 10:19 am to windshieldman
You boys who hunt KNF. Which one of you baws stole my camera and feeder off the private that borders it? Still pissed about that.
Carry on fellas.
Carry on fellas.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 10:23 am to Gatorgar
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I don’t understand why people want to hunt with dogs.
I don’t either, too damn expensive and seems like a pain in the arse, but it’s not for us to understand if we don’t care to
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I wish they would let the entire state vote to keep or ban dog hunting.
Shitty take, next thing we can vote to ban hunting and fishing altogether. You’d probably be fine with that also
Posted on 7/30/19 at 10:24 am to JohnDoe00
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Which one of you baws stole my camera and feeder off the private that borders it
Obviously a dog hunter, still hunter would never steal a camera
Posted on 7/30/19 at 10:25 am to Gatorgar
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I don’t understand why people want to hunt with dogs. In the old days dogs were used because there were far less deer. I wish they would let the entire state vote to keep or ban dog hunting. I would be willing to bet it would be outlawed.
This is a terrible idea. When we start letting public opinion decide management practices for hunting that should be science based, we end up with hunting being voted out entirely. Look at bear hunting in NJ, etc...
Public opinion is not what should rule the day on hunting management because the public is ill informed and manipulated by emotion.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 10:39 am to The Last Coco
I say this because every person I know who wants to run deer dogs kill everything they see. Most people that use to hunt KNF with dogs would kill any deer that came by them and let other people tag them. Science shows population of dog hunters have decreased and deer have increased over the years.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 10:58 am to Gatorgar
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I don’t understand why people want to hunt with dogs
Because it's a lot of fun. I drive 200 miles one way every weekend of dog season to our club with my son just for the thrill and fellowship with other members. They are the nicest bunch of genuine down to earth guys you'll ever meet. And to be honest, we could kill 10 times more deer still hunting.
I have never run dogs on public property, but I can tell you we do everything we can to keep ours on our property. But yes occasionally they get off. In the last 10 years we have only had 1 dispute with a neighbor because our beagles got on their property, but this was in the middle of the day and they weren't even in the stands.
And for those that say dog hunters are lazy, it's way more work than sitting in a stand staring at a pile of rice bran all day.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 11:24 am to Gatorgar
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Science shows population of dog hunters have decreased and deer have increased over the years.
Correlation does not equal causality. I am certain deer populations would have risen regardless.
Not allowing someone to exercise their right on PUBLIC LAND because it doesn't conform with your ideals is pretty short sighted.
That being said, dog hunters have the reputation they do because there have been and are problems with them not policing their dogs well. But I have no problem with dedicated dog hunting seasons or still hunting seasons.
Many public lands are managed in such a way that one activity is given preference over another during certain periods of time. I hunt in OK and it is common for small game to be closed during archery season and and the first 9 days of deer gun season. Or for all hunting activities outside of draw hunts to be closed during the draw hunts.
But that's up to the USFS and WLF folks to decide how they want to manage the land, population and seasons. It isn't and shouldn't be a public vote.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 11:25 am to Gatorgar
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I say this because every person I know who wants to run deer dogs kill everything they see. Most people that use to hunt KNF with dogs would kill any deer that came by them and let other people tag them
I never saw dog hunters wanting to ‘kill everything they see’ back when I was a kid. In fact a small deer accidentally getting taken would often cause good natured ribbing. But we did shoot does.
Compare that with now with the very serious, relentless pursuit of rack size by competitive hunters and it makes some sense that people are leaving the sport.
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Science shows population of dog hunters have decreased and deer have increased over the years.
Sounds like a coincidence to me
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 11:26 am to REB BEER
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And for those that say dog hunters are lazy, it's way more work than sitting in a stand staring at a pile of rice bran all day.
Well, to be fair, on USFS land they aren't allowed to stair at a pile of rice bran. Baiting is illegal on public land in LA.
And killing deer consistently on public land in LA is a lot of work no matter how you go about doing it.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 3:11 pm to AUCE05
I was walking my beagle through some dense woods in an overgrown floodplain one day just trying to jump rabbits for fun but instead she found a herd of bedding deer, about 20 of them, and jumped them, about 20 feet in front of me, and between the thundering herd and the beagle screams, I was absolutely enchanted. I can definitely see the allure of hunting deer with beagles.
This was private property though. If anyone else had been hunting within 2 miles I can definitely see how they'd be pissed. To call it a ruckus would be an understatement. It was pandemonium.
I actually lost the dog for a while, I couldn't keep up. The screams got too far and distant, until I couldn't hear her anymore. I made the long walk home in the opposite direction trying to figure out how to tell my wife (gf at the time) that I lost our "baby ".
I got home and that beagle was on the back porch, all kinds of fricked up. I guess she caught up to a buck that fricked her up. She beat me home, must have taken a bee line while I was on trails.
From that point forward she wouldn't jump rabbit anymore, only deer.
This was private property though. If anyone else had been hunting within 2 miles I can definitely see how they'd be pissed. To call it a ruckus would be an understatement. It was pandemonium.
I actually lost the dog for a while, I couldn't keep up. The screams got too far and distant, until I couldn't hear her anymore. I made the long walk home in the opposite direction trying to figure out how to tell my wife (gf at the time) that I lost our "baby ".
I got home and that beagle was on the back porch, all kinds of fricked up. I guess she caught up to a buck that fricked her up. She beat me home, must have taken a bee line while I was on trails.
From that point forward she wouldn't jump rabbit anymore, only deer.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 3:44 pm to The Last Coco
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Not allowing someone to exercise their right on PUBLIC LAND because it doesn’t conform with your ideals is pretty short sighted.
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I said it once and I’ll say it again,what happened at KNF was not a deer dog issue but a slob hunter issue.If the dog hunters had stayed on public land I don’t think it would have banned.Where the problem came from was the dog hunters racing up and down the roads in front of peoples houses,taking stands on public roads,blatantly trespassing on private property,just generally acting like A-holes.You won’t find many anti-hunters in Grant Parish,the problem came from the dog hunters scaring the crap of the local residents.Who wants to be driving down the blacktop road going home and some yahoo is standing on the shoulder with a high powered rifle,or in your front yard like happened to my dad.
I was in a club once that dog hunted,we didn’t hunt out of trucks and 4wheelers.We would make a guess which way the deer were going to run,walk through the woods and take a stand.If we lined up on a road we stayed the legally required 100 feet from the road and face our property.We never had any conflicts with the adjoining landowners.
Eventually the timber company disallowed dog hunting on their properties,so that was that.The many have to suffer for the bad actions of the few.
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Not allowing someone to exercise their right on PUBLIC LAND because it doesn’t conform with your ideals is pretty short sighted.
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I said it once and I’ll say it again,what happened at KNF was not a deer dog issue but a slob hunter issue.If the dog hunters had stayed on public land I don’t think it would have banned.Where the problem came from was the dog hunters racing up and down the roads in front of peoples houses,taking stands on public roads,blatantly trespassing on private property,just generally acting like A-holes.You won’t find many anti-hunters in Grant Parish,the problem came from the dog hunters scaring the crap of the local residents.Who wants to be driving down the blacktop road going home and some yahoo is standing on the shoulder with a high powered rifle,or in your front yard like happened to my dad.
I was in a club once that dog hunted,we didn’t hunt out of trucks and 4wheelers.We would make a guess which way the deer were going to run,walk through the woods and take a stand.If we lined up on a road we stayed the legally required 100 feet from the road and face our property.We never had any conflicts with the adjoining landowners.
Eventually the timber company disallowed dog hunting on their properties,so that was that.The many have to suffer for the bad actions of the few.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 3:54 pm to LSUA 75
Dog hunting in my area sounds different than a lot of stories here.
Dog hunters here have made it hard to be an advocate for their activity of choice. They are gigantic pieces of shite up here. They just stick radio collars on their dogs and let em run and then go up and down the road by truck and radio track to see where they end up. One side of the road is national park, so the dogs cross over quite frequently since they are not managed in any way.
We constantly find dogs in extremely poor condition that they just leave behind during the season, they go into the National Park where they are strictly forbidden along with other private property, they put oil, nails, and other material in the road to cause injury and property damage because they don't like other people using the area for recreation that scare off bear and deer. They are scum here. I wouldn't mind one bit if they got banned.
Dog hunters here have made it hard to be an advocate for their activity of choice. They are gigantic pieces of shite up here. They just stick radio collars on their dogs and let em run and then go up and down the road by truck and radio track to see where they end up. One side of the road is national park, so the dogs cross over quite frequently since they are not managed in any way.
We constantly find dogs in extremely poor condition that they just leave behind during the season, they go into the National Park where they are strictly forbidden along with other private property, they put oil, nails, and other material in the road to cause injury and property damage because they don't like other people using the area for recreation that scare off bear and deer. They are scum here. I wouldn't mind one bit if they got banned.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 7/30/19 at 3:58 pm to deeprig9
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I can definitely see the allure of hunting deer with beagles.
You should experience it with big dogs like redbones, black and tans, or walkers at least once. The hounds are on a different level than beagles (like NFL vs college).
Posted on 7/30/19 at 4:00 pm to LSUA 75
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yahoo is standing on the shoulder with a high powered rifle
I have never experienced anyone using a rifle while dog hunting.
Not only it is extremely dangerous, but it is not a good type of firearm to use on a running deer if you want to score a hit.
What type of rifle was the person using?
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 4:03 pm
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