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re: What is your true opinion on anti-vaxxing/anti-vaxxers? *Pre-COVID edition
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:44 pm to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:44 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:We have a pretty damn good idea after Delta has spread throughout the country. It’s not nearly as effective preventing symptomatic disease or transmission but it’s still very effective against hospitalization and death.
year, not all of the variants that have popped up. We have no idea what the true effectiveness of the vaccines are against those variants.
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Posted on 10/12/21 at 12:51 am to Roll Tide Ravens
This thread truly shows how immoral and disgusting people truly can be. Why is there so much hate for people that make decisions that are opposite of your own? The third leading cause of death is medical malpractice, yet some of you true believers will swallow anything that industry sells you. I had two vaccine injuries, as a child and as an adult, so along with those experiences and hours upon hours of personal research my child is completely vaccine free/natural. He is two and a half and has only been sick once during his recent trip to visit his relatives in Europe (uncle brought a cold home from school). The Rockefeller medicine that we adopted is highly suspicious and predatory. Terrain vs germ theory is another avenue worth looking into. The opinions found in this thread are everything wrong with the world. People reacting to fear narratives turn to their leaders/rulers to control society and force opposing lifestyles onto the rest of us.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 1:10 am to DeathToTheDemiurge
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DeathToTheDemiurge
The thread bump caught a real-life dyed in the wool childhood vaccine anti-vaxxer.
Just keep in mind that the ONLY reason your child can live in relative safety from a plethora of horrible childhood illnesses is the herd immunity created by children and adults that received those vaccines.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 6:03 am to mmmmmbeeer
quote:
He looked at me in disbelief because he felt I was ignoring a YUGE aspect of COVID...specifically, mutations. If we, as a global society, aren't vaccinated enough to render the virus essentially 'dead', then it will inevitably mutate as it continues to live.
It appears we were all supposed to believe this, but once we learned vaccinated people were able to contract and spread Covid this fallacy was exposed. And the vaccine push on the young, healthy, and/or recovered should have stopped immediately.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 6:03 am to Obtuse1
The relative safety is quickly declining due to the influx of immigrants carrying in childhood diseases that we had eliminated through vaccines.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 6:50 am to crazy4lsu
quote:
I don’t think people are stupid, per se, but given the data, it suggests that losing weight isn’t a strictly biochemical process, it is also a metabolic one. No patient wants to be fat, in my experience, but losing weight is immensely difficult when your body has been primed to respond in a certain way.
But it would be amazing if we actually had policies in mind that actually maximized human health. Alas, vaccination is the most successful public health measure historically for a very specific reason, which is why, I would guess, that any other public health suggestion will never see the same degree of success.
Look people know what is good for them and what is not for the most part (we have been mislead with the food pyramid but that’s another discussion). For the most part, people KNOW that processed sugar IS VERY BAD for the body but they continue to consume it because it is ADDICTIVE in nature. The food industry knows that and that is why they go heavy on the sugary cereal to kids to get consumers FOR LIFE.
Choosing to stay away from the processed sugar is hard BUT can be done. The fact that folks on govt assistance ARE ALLOWED to spend the govt’s money are such terrible food is the part that bothers me the most.
Seriously if a person who drinks more than a soft drink a day gives it up for 30 days, I would GUARANTEE they will physically feel better and probably lose weight at the end of the 30 days. Now the first week will be hard bc they WILL HAVE withdrawals (just like any addictive substance) but it can be overcome.
This post was edited on 10/12/21 at 6:53 am
Posted on 10/12/21 at 6:55 am to DeathToTheDemiurge
quote:
The third leading cause of death is medical malpractice,
No it’s not.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:04 am to DeathToTheDemiurge
quote:
This thread truly shows how immoral and disgusting people truly can be. Why is there so much hate for people that make decisions that are opposite of your own?
If you got autism from a vaccine, you would be less retarded than you are now.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:09 am to DeathToTheDemiurge
quote:
Why is there so much hate for people that make decisions that are opposite of your own?
Because people are incapable of making decisions on their own. They follow others, and hate on people who think differently.
By people, I mean progressives.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:11 am to Roll Tide Ravens
My opinion is that not wanting to get a specific shot doesn't make one anti-vaccine.
If that were the case, unless any of you had the same vaccines that I have had, (Anthrax series + 5 boosters, Japanese Encephalitis, Typhoid, MMR, Hepatitis B and C, Tetanus, Smallpox twice, etc) you are all anti-vaxx.
If that were the case, unless any of you had the same vaccines that I have had, (Anthrax series + 5 boosters, Japanese Encephalitis, Typhoid, MMR, Hepatitis B and C, Tetanus, Smallpox twice, etc) you are all anti-vaxx.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:14 am to Esquire
This is a weird thread to see pop back up.
With respect to pre-Covid era vaccines, The Lancet printed a retraction of the now discredited link between autism and vaccinations. Yet people Jenny McCarthy and Robert DiNiro use their celebrity status to keep beating that drum despite being completely against all the science.
In the Covid-19 era - I've had reservations about the mRNA vaccines, but I ultimately made my decision to get vaccinated based on the information available at the time. I would like to see more people get vaccinated, but they need to make that decision for themselves.
There is a massive credibility crisis with American institutions. I'm not going into the reasons why other than to say that I think that the journalism industry and our own government has done nothing to address their lack of credibility with Americans. In fact, it seems like they act without any concern for the damage they are doing to their own brand. It's to the point where people are completely tuning them all out. And I can't blame them after being lied to almost daily for years. They aren't going to suddenly start believing in the same government and news team that fed them bullshite for so long just because the topic turns to vaccinations and Covid.
And I think it's catastrophically stupid to impose vaccine mandates. What the Biden administration is forcing employers to do is heavy handed, short sighted, and far less popular than the media is letting on.
With respect to pre-Covid era vaccines, The Lancet printed a retraction of the now discredited link between autism and vaccinations. Yet people Jenny McCarthy and Robert DiNiro use their celebrity status to keep beating that drum despite being completely against all the science.
In the Covid-19 era - I've had reservations about the mRNA vaccines, but I ultimately made my decision to get vaccinated based on the information available at the time. I would like to see more people get vaccinated, but they need to make that decision for themselves.
There is a massive credibility crisis with American institutions. I'm not going into the reasons why other than to say that I think that the journalism industry and our own government has done nothing to address their lack of credibility with Americans. In fact, it seems like they act without any concern for the damage they are doing to their own brand. It's to the point where people are completely tuning them all out. And I can't blame them after being lied to almost daily for years. They aren't going to suddenly start believing in the same government and news team that fed them bullshite for so long just because the topic turns to vaccinations and Covid.
And I think it's catastrophically stupid to impose vaccine mandates. What the Biden administration is forcing employers to do is heavy handed, short sighted, and far less popular than the media is letting on.
This post was edited on 10/12/21 at 8:16 am
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:23 am to STEVED00
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Look people know what is good for them and what is not for the most part (we have been mislead with the food pyramid but that’s another discussion). For the most part, people KNOW that processed sugar IS VERY BAD for the body but they continue to consume it because it is ADDICTIVE in nature. The food industry knows that and that is why they go heavy on the sugary cereal to kids to get consumers FOR LIFE.
Choosing to stay away from the processed sugar is hard BUT can be done. The fact that folks on govt assistance ARE ALLOWED to spend the govt’s money are such terrible food is the part that bothers me the most.
If HFCS were banned tomorrow in one year the health outlook for all Americans would be significantly improved. Fructose is metabolized the same way ethanol is in the liver. 90% of fructose gets converted to fat. Whereas only 10% of glucose (sold as dextrose in the store) gets converted to fat.
The big difference between ethanol and fructose however is feedback. When you consume too much ethanol you at least get some negative feedback saying, "whoa there pal, you're drinking too much." You do not get that with fructose.
Fructose was designed in nature to be sweeter. It's in fruits and we are attracted to eat the sweet fruits and spread their seeds so they can propagate. However fructose in fruits is not that bad as in processed food because most of it is in bound in fiber and just passes. You get most of your fructose from fruits from chewing.
Another thing is corporate fast food restaurants have discovered the increase in sale that HFCS has provided them. Since coming on the scene in the 1970s after the process was invented to produce HFCS in Japan and incorporated in our soft drinks fast food consumers have increased their calorie consumption by 100-150 calories per meal. That's because fructose is also a leptin blocker. Leptin is the hormone that tells you that you are full. This is great for fast food sales. Not so much for your health.
This post was edited on 10/12/21 at 9:20 am
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:23 am to dewster
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There is a massive credibility crisis with American institutions. I'm not going into the reasons why other than to say that I think that the journalism industry and our own government has done nothing to address their lack of credibility with Americans. In fact, it seems like they act without any concern for the damage they are doing to their own brand. It's to the point where people are completely tuning them all out. And I can't blame them after being lied to almost daily for years.
I was pretty liberal during Bush/Cheney and rolled my eyes when people like Rush Limbaugh were critical of what they perceived to be a biased media. At that time, I felt like it was a relatively even playing field. Trump ripped the cover off a lot of things. MSM, big tech, and the intel agencies actively pushing Russia collusion, Russian bounties on U.S. soldiers, Hunter laptop was a disinfo campaign, etc., etc. has killed a lot of confidence in MSM and our government. It doesn't help that people burned down cities for a summer and very little was done about it, while capitol protestors are deemed terrorists. I don't even have a problem if you think that, just be consistent and acknowledge that Kavanaugh protestors were the same thing. This guy had a good thread on the mindset of Trump supporters and trust in our institutions.
LINK
There are some honest liberal media types like Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, and Jimmy Dore, but corporate media doesn't touch them other than the occasional Fox appearance now. They all have their own platforms and run in their own circles. Corporate media is a complete disgrace.
This post was edited on 10/12/21 at 8:28 am
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:24 am to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:
My opinion is that not wanting to get a specific shot doesn't make one anti-vaccine.
If that were the case, unless any of you had the same vaccines that I have had, (Anthrax series + 5 boosters, Japanese Encephalitis, Typhoid, MMR, Hepatitis B and C, Tetanus, Smallpox twice, etc) you are all anti-vaxx.
This point can't be emphasized enough.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:25 am to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:
My opinion is that not wanting to get a specific shot doesn't make one anti-vaccine.
This is correct
Which shows that people using the term anti vaxxer as a pejorative generally aren't very knowledgeable.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:26 am to Bunk Moreland
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I was pretty liberal during Bush/Cheney and rolled my eyes when people like Rush Limbaugh were critical of what they perceived to be a biased media. At that time, I felt like it was a relatively even playing field. Trump ripped the cover off a lot of things. MSM, big tech, and the intel agencies actively pushing Russia collusion, Russian bounties on U.S. soldiers, Hunter laptop was a disinfo campaign, etc., etc. has killed a lot of confidence in MSM and our government. It doesn't help that people burned down cities for a summer and very little was done about it, while capitol protestors are deemed terrorists. I don't even have a problem if you think that, just be consistent and acknowledge the BLM protesting Trump in the same way would have been excused and welcomed.
There are some good liberal media types like Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, and Jimmy Dore, but corporate media doesn't touch them other than the occasional Fox appearance now. They all have their own platforms and run in their own circles. Corporate media is a complete disgrace.
I don't think our media is even liberal anymore. They reflect the Democratic party, which has turned away from liberalism and straight into hard core progressive authoritarianism.
The only thing they have in common with their Bush-era counterparts is that they resent and hate flyover white people.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:37 am to goofball
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I don't think our media is even liberal anymore. They reflect the Democratic party,
They reflect whoever pays them. 80% of the media stories you see in the MSM are paid for. I discovered this directly when local media outlets approached my wife and tried to sell her on running a story on her business. You pay us and we will run a nice little story on your business.
That's the way it works in the MSM too.
In general,
WaPo's biggest customer is the CIA.
CNN has the State Department. (Note how the State Department was pissed about the Afghan withdrawal and even CNN turned on Biden for a week or two.)
NYTs has the FBI.
Financial media will run stories for hedge funds all the time to move stocks.
The point is, most of the stories you read are paid for.
Are there any organic investigative stories? Sure. But those take time and resources.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:40 am to goofball
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I don't think our media is even liberal anymore. They reflect the Democratic party
They're paid off. The NYC - DC connection is incestual.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 9:06 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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This post was edited on 10/12/21 at 9:07 am
Posted on 10/12/21 at 10:23 am to GumboPot
quote:
If HFCS were banned tomorrow in one year the health outlook for all Americans would be significantly improved. Fructose is metabolized the same way ethanol is in the liver. 90% of fructose gets converted to fat. Whereas only 10% of glucose (sold as dextrose in the store) gets converted to fat. The big difference between ethanol and fructose however is feedback. When you consume too much ethanol you at least get some negative feedback saying, "whoa there pal, you're drinking too much." You do not get that with fructose. Fructose was designed in nature to be sweeter. It's in fruits and we are attracted to eat the sweet fruits and spread their seeds so they can propagate. However fructose in fruits is not that bad as in processed food because most of it is in bound in fiber and just passes. You get most of your fructose from fruits from chewing. Another thing is corporate fast food restaurants have discovered the increase in sale that HFCS has provided them. Since coming on the scene in the 1970s after the process was invented to produce HFCS in Japan and incorporated in our soft drinks fast food consumers have increased their calorie consumption by 100-150 calories per meal. That's because fructose is also a leptin blocker. Leptin is the hormone that tells you that you are full. This is great for fast food sales. Not so much for your health.
Seriously, Who down votes this kind of information?
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