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Let's discuss recruiting budgets

Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:35 pm
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11201 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:35 pm
I think we can all agree the big difference between Alabama and everybody else is the talent level on their roster. They get top classes year in and year out. With Georgia knocking on the door in the last couple of years. Obviously winning championships helps with recruiting, but this also shows that $$ may be an even bigger factor. There's an obvious correlation between $ spent and recruiting success.

Here are the recruiting budgets from 2017 (most current I could find). Along with the % increase from previous year.(notice Georgia's big % increase coincides with their huge recruiting class last year)

14) University of Mississippi: $823,475 (7.3%)
13) Mississippi State University: $830,488 (14.7%)
12) Vanderbilt University: $936,370 (10.8%)
11) University of South Carolina: $948,678 (17.7%)
10) University of Missouri: $1,009,922 (14.9%)
9) Louisiana State University: $1,367,641 (7.1%)
8) University of Kentucky: $1,394,629 (-6.7%)
7) University of Florida: $1,401,267 (12.9%)
6) Texas A & M University: $1,515,148 (52.6%)
5) University of Arkansas: $1,585,500 (34.5%)
4) Auburn University: $1,594,488 (-3.6%)
3) The University of Tennessee: $1,914,153 (23.5%)
2) The University of Alabama: $2,227,636 (32.3%)
1) University of Georgia: $2,733,759 (51.9%)

So the top teams are spending double or almost double what we are and increasing it more every year. Why is this? is it because we focus on local kids? if so why is Georgia's so high? The state of Georgia is even more talent rich than LA.
And my next question is what is all the extra money spent on? (not talking about Dodge chargers and bag men, this is on the books expenses) do they have more people on staff for recruiting? blanketing more players with letters? casting out a wider net? Is it Saban flying in a helicopter to a practice instead of a limo? What are they doing that we aren't? Because it's working.

I think these questions need to be addressed- if we admit not having the talent level of alabama, then why are we only spending half as much $ on recruiting? Seems to me we should do the same as Georgia and double our efforts/financial support.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

14) University of Mississippi: $823,475 (7.3%)
13) Mississippi State University: $830,488 (14.7%)
12) Vanderbilt University: $936,370 (10.8%)
11) University of South Carolina: $948,678 (17.7%)
10) University of Missouri: $1,009,922 (14.9%)
9) Louisiana State University: $1,367,641 (7.1%)
8) University of Kentucky: $1,394,629 (-6.7%)
7) University of Florida: $1,401,267 (12.9%)
6) Texas A & M University: $1,515,148 (52.6%)
5) University of Arkansas: $1,585,500 (34.5%)
4) Auburn University: $1,594,488 (-3.6%)
3) The University of Tennessee: $1,914,153 (23.5%)
2) The University of Alabama: $2,227,636 (32.3%)
1) University of Georgia: $2,733,759 (51.9%)


You sold me, spend more on the actual product that brings in the most Revenues!!! Genius I say, just pure genius!!! And that is why Saban beats everyone!
Posted by Stud Bud
MS But travel all over the country
Member since Sep 2015
6958 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:46 pm to
Agree.

COL stipend for the athletes also need to be increased. Don’t give Bama another edge to recruit against you.

All this will require the administration to want to invest more.

I don’t know how any of this works but I am curious. Is this something O has to go to the board, AD to approve getting the budget increased?

Instead of an extension, this is the type of stuff O should be worried about.

Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65116 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

There's an obvious correlation between $ spent and recruiting success.

is there?

8) University of Kentucky: $1,394,629 (-6.7%)
5) University of Arkansas: $1,585,500 (34.5%)
3) The University of Tennessee: $1,914,153 (23.5%)

There is a bigger correlation with travel costs than there is with recruiting success. LSU recruits so many in-state guys and TX, that their travel costs aren't nearly as much as compared to other schools; therefore, our overall budget doesn't necessarily need to be as much. Our budget has always been lower and we've generally been a top 3-5 recruiting school nationally the last 20 years.

Obviously, you want to pinpoint UGA and Alabama, but look at the other schools above us. None of those have recruited better, on average, and UGA only has the last year or so.

Georgia also has to recruit more nationally than we do. Georgia has competition from Auburn, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee and Clemson within their state on a regular basis. We deal with Alabama but not nearly on the scale of what UGA has to deal with. Just look at the top players from the state of Georgia. They only have three players from the top 20. Whereas we have 5 commits from the top 10 in LA and 3 more that are heavy LSU leans right now.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 1:49 pm
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13664 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:48 pm to
Agree. It’s clearly helping Tennessee and Arkansas.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27733 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:50 pm to
Talk to the boosters.......want to compete long term with Alabama then you have to get them to open up their wallets. Then you need the off budget budget. 5 stars ain't cheap.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11201 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

is there? 8) University of Kentucky: $1,394,629 (-6.7%) 5) University of Arkansas: $1,585,500 (34.5%) 3) The University of Tennessee: $1,914,153 (23.5%)


But these numbers make sense. Arky and UT had huge increases that year, so theyre figuring it out. And Kentucky and UT probably have to travel more to get to recruiting hotbeds. The only teams below us are all perennial cellar dwellers. A&M bumped theirs up 50% and their recruiting has skyrocketed lately. Im sure partly because of the Jimbo effect.

But my point remains. What are Alabama and UGA spending almost double on? They don't have to travel anymore than LSU does. Even if we can get a top 10 class for $1 million less, wouldn't a top 2 class be worth a million more?
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 2:29 pm
Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
6605 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:18 pm to
Can we get a tally on who funnels the most cash to recruits, and who has the most bagmen?

Y'all do know that eventually this shite is coming out. Bama will go down in flames, but so will everybody else.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65116 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:30 pm to
quote:

But my point remains. What are Alabama and UGA spending almost double on? They don't have to travel anymore than LSU does. Even if we can get a top 10 class for $1 million less, wouldn't a top 2 class be worth a million more?

I addressed this already, so no, your point does not remain. Both Alabama and Geogia have to recruit more out of state kids than we do due to more in-state competition from other P5 schools.
quote:

Arky and UT had huge increases that year, so theyre figuring it out.

UT has always had one of the highest recruiting budgets in the conference. This is nothing new. And what exact increases are you referring to? Money or success? Arkansas finished last year at 48th after finishing 2017 at 27th. Currently they are 17th but that's only because they already have 22 commits, 16 of them being 3 star players. Once the bigger names start committing, their ranking will sink right back to where it always is.

I'm sorry, but there is very little correlation with recruiting budget and recruiting success. Alabama recruits well because they win more than anyone else, not because they have a bigger recruiting budget. And if LSU had to recruit OOS as much as other schools, then our recruiting budget would be higher.

quote:


A&M bumped theirs up 50% and their recruiting has skyrocketed lately. Im sure partly because of the Jimbo effect.


Or almost entirely due to the Jimbo effect. And you keep referencing past budget numbers. Care to provide those?
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 2:32 pm
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11201 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:39 pm to
quote:

Alabama and Geogia have to recruit more out of state kids than we do due to more in-state competition from other P5 schools.


I disagree. They recruit out of state, not because they have to , but because they can afford to. It takes money to do that. UGA had a record breaking class to go along with their 50% increase and tops in the SEC spending. You think that's just coincidence?
And just a coincidence that Bama is near the top in both recruiting rankings and spending on recruiting every year? Saban has recruiting down to a science, and we are being money whipped in recruiting by our main competition.


past budget numbers. Care to provide those?
im looking at the % change from previous year next to the total. UGA and A&M both had 50% increases. Both recently hired former Saban assistants, both had a big uptick in recruiting spending and recruiting success.

This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 2:56 pm
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7517 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

Currently they are 17th but that's only because they already have 22 commits, 16 of them being 3 star players. Once the bigger names start committing, their ranking will sink right back to where it always is.


Arkansas is still in contention for several more 4*s too though. Devin Bush, Jalen Catalon, etc. Rankings only count the top 20.

We do have to spend a lot on recruiting due to little in-state talent though. Morris joked that when he was at SMU he could fill an entire class up on a quarter of a tank of gas lol.
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

Then you need the off budget budget. 5 stars ain't cheap.


First, I actually know a lot more about that then you do and you are correct they ain't cheap, for example that DT that everyone including Bama want "and they got him" that number is 200.

Second, the boosters are all in that ain't the problem. LSU's football program is one of the most profitable programs in the country. Orgeron had to beg admin to hire extra analysts, so it ain't the boosters!!!!
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27733 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:07 pm to
Bama has a budget of 2.2 million for recruiting. We have 1.3 million. when you figure that in reality there is considerably more in quiet money. We still operate at a distinct disadvantage as it relates to Bama
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted by stephenmoe
Thibodaux, Louisiana
Member since Feb 2008
131 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:08 pm to
good damn point.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119032 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:13 pm to
Do these recruiting dollars include all sports are just football?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119032 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

But my point remains. What are Alabama and UGA spending almost double on?


Probably temporarily created positions that are back filled with coaches close to highly sought after recruits. Positions that are filled for about 2 years with the sole goal of attracking talent close to the people that fill those positions. For example, Sam Petitto from Amite was hired to get Ishmael Sopsher commitment. Sam and Ishmael's dad are good friend from high school.

Also bama has 36 positions under Saban in their football program.

Coach O has 15.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11201 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:44 pm to
These are all sports, but of course the overwhelming majority is spent on football, the big money sport.

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