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re: Chris Hardwick #metooed in a big way.

Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:53 am to
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:53 am to
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WTF is wrong with you?


Even if what she said there was 100% true, it simply sounds like an overbearing, jealous partner. But...it did not make her a victim of anything other than her bad judgement to decide to stay with an a-hole. Put another way, that reads like complaining about a bad boyfriend...

I've spent way too much time looking at this story over the weekend, and one thing seems obnoxiously clear...this system of "believe the woman" has got to stop. It is, quite literally, a modern day witch hunt in that the accusation is the ONLY thing that matters and even the attempt to claim innocence is seen as an indication of guilt. And that's terrifying.

A handful of people on social media have attempted to argue that MAYBE before trashing the guy as if the accusation is 100% true we actually wait and hear his side (he did respond later that day) and then wait and see if there is any evidence. those lone sane voices have been met with ridicule, as if the mere suggestion that anyone not "believe the woman" is compounding any abuse.

And here's the thing...I'd guess the VAST majority of everyone saying that stupid talking point would also believe nearly universally in the concept of innocent people going to prison for crimes they did not commit, and how much of a travesty that is. We KNOW people lie about others, and we KNOW that far too often people lose their lives and reputations because of those lies. Why then pretend that only in cases like this where a woman accuses a man of some terrible act that there is no possibility of her being misleading and no possibility of him being innocent?

It clearly sets a terrible precedent for anyone willing to open their eyes. Even if EVERY SINGLE ONE of these MeToo claims have thus far been 100% truthful, when you set up a system where all someone has to do is accuse another person of something bad enough AND the person being accused CAN NOT respond with a defense, how soon will bad actors begin to take advantage of that system simply to ruin people's lives? To deny that obviously reality is to deny the very nature of humans.

I have NO IDEA what the truth of any of this is, but at some point people need to step back of this ledge and realize that what started out as a good thing (being open to women coming forward and telling stories of their having been abused and REALLY listening to them rather than dismissing them outright) has become the opposite where if there really are innocent people being accused the system is set up to eat them without the possibility of defending themselves.
Posted by statman34
Member since Feb 2011
2981 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:27 am to
At the very least these accusations can have lasting impact on the accused by costing them their job/livelihood. If it is a scorned former lover with no legitimate gripe, those people need to be slammed. I don't care one way or another about Hardwick per se, but the entire movement has been distressing because any person can use it as a means for revenge for any purpose under the sun. It is just hard to trust a lot of these allegations because of these attention whoring statuses. If someone was truly sexually assaulted, roast them. But we need to really define sexual assault to some of these people because a lot of the stories I have heard are not that.
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