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re: Most draft picks the past 10 years: Alabama, LSU (65)
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:19 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:19 am to Rickdaddy4188
LSU had a composite class of 6 in 2017? Who gets credit for that?
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Posted on 4/27/18 at 6:56 am to Tiger Ree
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Why would that matter to me? Over 50% of the lowest rated LSU recruits since 2008 will play in the NFL.
This is such a small sample size it makes your entire data point useless.
Why not take the bottom quartile of every class? Or the bottom half?
Oh, that’s right, because that would require actual work on your part, not linking an article from Advocate, And The Valley Shook, or 247 :(
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 6:57 am
Posted on 4/27/18 at 6:59 am to Tiger Ree
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I've read more than one article where the writer's predicted the lowest recruit from the class Dantrieze Scott will be the surprise of the class.
Man, this just reeks of someone flailing and grasping at anything
Posted on 4/27/18 at 7:41 am to PaperTiger
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LSU had a composite class of 6 in 2017? Who gets credit for that?
the guy that had left the interim coach a top 5 classes where 95 % of the recruits were already committed.
and if youre giving O the credit then o gets the blame for the depth problems.
but let me guess, you give him credit for the class but the depth isnt on him.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 11:12 am to Rickdaddy4188
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at no time has ed orgeron ever had a top 14 class for his program.
I disagree with this. And I am not touting his IHC stint but the 2017 class happened after he had been named permanent HC and the recruits had months to go elsewhere. Not one of them did. He was the HC and was going to be in the future when the class signed with him.
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except the recruiting sites are about as accurate as you cant get.
You think LSU's lowest rated players from the last 10 classes and having half of them play in the NFL is accurate for the services?
Keep in mind that if Gage makes the NFL it will be six of the lowest rated player who made the NFL and that three other players will still be on the LSU roster so the number may even increase more. That is accurate to you?
Posted on 4/27/18 at 11:19 am to Dave England
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This is such a small sample size it makes your entire data point useless.
It's 10 years of data compared by the institution that provided the original data. If 10 years is a small sample size to you, then I don't know what could ever be considered adequate.
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Why not take the bottom quartile of every class? Or the bottom half?
Why? Doing the lowest rated recruit more than proves my point. The information that showed the ratings are not accurate was provided by the same company that gave the ratings over the last 10 years. They are admitting to the actual end results and comparing to their hypothetical rankings. I can't improve on that.
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Oh, that’s right, because that would require actual work on your part, not linking an article from Advocate, And The Valley Shook, or 247 :(
If you have the time, go for it. I'll read whatever you come up with.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 11:40 am
Posted on 4/27/18 at 11:21 am to Tiger Ree
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the 2017 class happened after he had been named permanent HC and the recruits had months to go elsewhere. Not one of them did. He was the HC and was going to be in the future when the class signed with him.
This is one of the most underrated things O has done at LSU IMO and he think he deserves a ton of credit for keeping that class together because it would be real easy to justify those players signing somewhere else.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 11:23 am to Dave England
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Man, this just reeks of someone flailing and grasping at anything
Whatever you think.
I did forget to mention that I also heard it from Ferriday fans on the "more sports" board during the state playoffs and often on the "recruiting board". Do a search for Dantrieze Scott on either board and see for yourself.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 11:25 am to Tiger Ree
We’ve also had classes rated much higher than 15.
So the worst players were still not that bad.
But your whole arguement centers around some players kinda outperforming their rating.
Ronald Martin has been on 5 teams in 3 years and has 2 tackles and is mostly on the practice squad.
Vs guys like Jamal Adams and Eric Reid who where first rounders and highly rated players.
There is a much higher chance that a player will work out if they are a 5 star than a 3 star.
That’s why class ranking mean something.
Look at Bama. It’s not a coincidence they are #1 in recruiting almost every year and have won half the NCs in the last decade.
So the worst players were still not that bad.
But your whole arguement centers around some players kinda outperforming their rating.
Ronald Martin has been on 5 teams in 3 years and has 2 tackles and is mostly on the practice squad.
Vs guys like Jamal Adams and Eric Reid who where first rounders and highly rated players.
There is a much higher chance that a player will work out if they are a 5 star than a 3 star.
That’s why class ranking mean something.
Look at Bama. It’s not a coincidence they are #1 in recruiting almost every year and have won half the NCs in the last decade.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 11:35 am to Rickdaddy4188
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the guy that had left the interim coach a top 5 classes where 95 % of the recruits were already committed
What.... You don't do math man? 95%??
LSU 24 signees. These are the guys that were added right before signing day:
K'Lavon Chaisson...... Natl: 37 Pos: 4 State: 5
Jacob Phillips....... Natl: 61 Pos: 1 State: 4
Todd Harris....... Natl: 86 Pos: 11 State: 3
Tyler Taylor...... Natl: 242 Pos: 11 State: 24
Racey McMath
Justin Jefferson
Posted on 4/27/18 at 11:38 am to Rickdaddy4188
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but let me guess, you give him credit for the class but the depth isnt on him.
Even if they are, even you know you can't totally fix the depth on O and D lines with one class without sacrificing other positions.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 11:45 am to higgins
Saban does put players in the pros but along the way you might win 2-3 national championships.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 11:53 am to TigerLunatik
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This is one of the most underrated things O has done at LSU IMO and he think he deserves a ton of credit for keeping that class together because it would be real easy to justify those players signing somewhere else.
I would think this would be as rare as an IHC taking over two P5 programs who had fired their coaches and having a winning record, ranking and reach a bowl game. He is the only on to do it.
But to take over a program that has 18 commits when the head coach got fired, be named IHC and then HC and not lose one commit.
Hell it's probably somewhat rare for a program without coaching changes to not lose one commit.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:00 pm to SammyTiger
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Look at Bama. It’s not a coincidence they are #1 in recruiting almost every year and have won half the NCs in the last decade.
I'm not insinuating that they are never right.
Just pointing out that as far as the lowest rated LSU player from each of the last 10 classes seems to have been rated incorrectly.
That is if you go by their own table of what to expect from players based on their ratings. The highest being immediate starter down to special teams player, etc.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:14 pm to Tiger Ree
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It's 10 years of data compared by the institution that provided the original data. If 10 years is a small sample size to you, then I don't know what could ever be considered adequate.
are you always this obtuse when posting? its not 10 years of data that is at issue, its the fact that you are making the claim "recruiting ranking services are a fraud! look at how the lowest ranked player in every one of LSU's last 10 recruiting classes is doing!". using the lowest ranked player in every one of LSU's last 10 recruiting classes means you are using 10 data points out of an entire data set of roughly 250 recruits. 10/250 is roughly 4% of your entire data set.
have you ever taken any sort of basic remedial statistics class before?
I wanted to talk LSU football but I see we have a lot to unpack here.
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Why? Doing the lowest rated recruit more than proves my point.
of course it proves your point. I can use any set of data to prove a point.
Tom Herman has coached a college football team to a double digit winning season.
Ed Orgeron has not.
ergo, Tom Herman is a better coach.
See how easy that was?
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I'll read whatever you come up with.
I have no doubt you will.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:26 pm to Tiger Ree
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I'm not insinuating that they are never right.
ohhhh really?
"According to who?
The people who had Greedy Williams as the 219th best player in the nation, 20th best at his position and 14th best player in the state?
Yeah, those guys are NEVER WRONG."
"And none of these players were ranked in the top 20 at their positions. Even the five that have ALREADY played in the NFL. If Gage gets drafted that will be six of the 10 lowest rated recruits to play in the NFL. With Moreau, Cushenberry and Jefferson still playing at LSU.
But yeah, the recruiting services are NEVER WRONG. "
seems like you have quite the axe to grind with the recruiting services.
let me guess, you were expecting a higher ranking for yourself when you were coming out of high school??
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:30 pm to Dave England
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are you always this obtuse when posting? its not 10 years of data that is at issue, its the fact that you are making the claim "recruiting ranking services are a fraud! look at how the lowest ranked player in every one of LSU's last 10 recruiting classes is doing!". using the lowest ranked player in every one of LSU's last 10 recruiting classes means you are using 10 data points out of an entire data set of roughly 250 recruits. 10/250 is roughly 4% of your entire data set.
have you ever taken any sort of basic remedial statistics class before?
I wanted to talk LSU football but I see we have a lot to unpack here
Are you serious? Look at the information provided by the recruiting service. If you don't like it move on or do your own research.
The statistical basis for the information is not in question to me. If it bothers you do something about. Post your statistical analysis.
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of course it proves your point. I can use any set of data to prove a point.
You are an idiot if you truly believe this. Either that or you don't have a point to begin with.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:30 pm to Tiger Ree
You are insinuating they are so wrong our class is actually really good.
We would need an unpecidented number of players to greatly exceed their rankings for this class to be good enough.
We would need an unpecidented number of players to greatly exceed their rankings for this class to be good enough.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:52 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:In his last 3+ years, Les went 15-11 in the SEC (10-10 against the West), with all that talent.
The most talented players were also part of the most successful period that n LSU football history.
LSU fan response: fire the coach responsible!!
This is why Louisiana can’t have nice things.
He deserved to get fired.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:54 pm to Tiger Ree
Yes, it is widely known that Les Miles and Nick Saban are two of the best at putting their players into the NFL. Too bad one of them is not a coach anymore....
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