re: Liberals: Explain to me why Alfie Evans shouldn't be able to go to Italy

quote:

---

And the parents should dare anyone to try and stop them. I have to think that's what I'd do. "I'm taking my son to get treatment elsewhere. Stop me."

---

Yep.

If the UK forces this execution, it may be time for the citizens of the UK to really dissect these words.

quote:

---

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

---

quote:

---

The issue is that if that were my son I would absolutely want to tell them to gtfo of my way I’m taking him to Italy. But it seems like getting him there would be an issue without constant medical assistance. So that’s where they are screwed in the situation because obviously they wouldn’t get the help they need from the current hospital for transportation.

---

The Italian government and the German government have medical professionals standing with the parents at the hospital. The hospital/UK need not provide a thing. Other countries have already provided the needed care.

We are clearly all wrong for thinking the UK is wrong here.

Just ask the author of the article above.

quote:

---

Firstly, the National Health Service offers the British people superb health care financed from general taxation. It has its faults, but this form of social insurance means, for example, that a child such as Alfie Evans will receive treatment and round-the-clock care way beyond the means of his parents.

Bear in mind too that in the UK private insurance health schemes rarely offer full cover against long-term conditions such as Alzheimer’s or cancer, or if they do, it’s at great cost in unaffordable premiums. I do not know what would have happened to Alfie if he was in New York or Arkansas rather than London, but I do know he would not have the automatic assurance of first class treatment under the NHS.I do not know what would have happened to Alfie if he was in New York or Arkansas rather than London, but I do know he would not have the automatic assurance of first class treatment under the NHS.

---

What a moron.

1. Alfie's parents clearly have the means to take him elsewhere for healthcare.

2. Why would UK's "private healthcare schemes" offer long-term care, at all, when the government provides it for "free?"

He landblasts people like Mike Huckabee, who are rightfully criticizing this decision.

quote:

---

Oddly for someone with his political background, he chucks in a dollop of class envy too: “On the very day Brits celebrated the Royal baby, the UK government removed life support system from 23-month-old Alfie Evans and stationed a line of police to keep his frantic parents from moving him to another hospital that would grant him care. A royal shame!” What is really a royal shame is this vast well of ignorance that these know-nothings are swimming in. There are others, you see, no doubt representative of a deeply confused appreciation of reality. A Twitterer called “burnt Peacock” for example, who opines: “And no govt bureaucracy should be making medical care decisions best left between doctors and patients”. Or Steve Deace of the Steve Deace Show, who writes: “Want to know what the Death of the West looks like? Exactly no one in the UK healthcare system has practiced some form of civil disobedience today for #AlfieEvans. Rather, all are dutifully carrying out a ritualistic execution in broad daylight because the state says so.”

---

And as a defense?

quote:

---

It’s like this. A child in Britain is protected by the law and the courts, and his or her interests are represented properly. When there are issues of life and death, then the courts listen and sift the complex medical evidence, the wishes of parents and, of course, the legal framework, including human rights entrenched in British law. Doctors are not allowed to just turn off life support, still less civil servants. It is a cynical misrepresentation of a case that has been through every court of the land, treated with utmost seriousness throughout. If Alfie had been in a private hospital – of which there are quite a few in the UK operating perfectly freely – the courts would still have had a deciding role in the case.

---

Even though Huckabee clearly said the UK government is to blame, this guy is defending the hospital. How did they even find someone this stupid willing to put his name to this?

quote:

---

What an absolute disaster then to let this kid go like this.

---

yeah when you have another fricking country giving the kid citizenship and having its doctors on standby waiting in a helicopter, you kind of lose moral high grounds. hell it's almost a question of what concern it is of the UK anymore if Italy legit will accept the child as a citizen of Italy

quote:

---

I have been fortunate enough to live in quite a few places and have found freedom to be a very abstract concept.

---

The bill of rights is pretty well thought out. Let’s start there.

quote:

---

I’d like to hear the conservatives answer to this as well?

---

He should be. Without question. As I said before... Err on the side of life.

quote:

---

I think it the UK system officials making a public point to anyone that no matter how much bad press they get, if they decide you die, you die. It is to shut up anyone in the future from trying to buck the system.

---

Prime Minister Issues Friendly Reminder To UK Parents That The State Owns Their Children (Babylon Bee)

quote:

---

“Yes, we’re gracious enough to allow your kids to reside with you and for you to make lots of the decisions in their day-to-day lives, but when the rubber meets the road, we just want you to remember that the Almighty State straight-up owns your kids and will do with them as we will,” she said. “We make all the big decisions, and you have pretty much zero say when it comes right down to it. Just keep that in mind and stay in your place.”

The Prime Minister further reminded Britons that they gave up their right to make major decisions for their household when they decided to hand over control of healthcare, social security, education, guns, and free speech to the government.

---