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re: Orgeron was also asked if he felt his program was on the rise.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:39 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:39 pm to Freauxzen
I was under the impression he was answering a direct question. I only read the quoted text, not the link though.
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 2:40 pm
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Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:46 pm to Brazos
You could say this for 99% of th shite said here on the rant.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:49 pm to TigerLunatik
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Recruiting rankings seem to be a crapshoot sometimes
Sometimes? More like a lot of times.
LSU's best cornerback - Greedy was rated as the 16th player in the 2016 class. He was rated as the 4th best defensive back.
Whether correct or not, LSU's best receiver this year - the guy who showed out in the senior bowl - DJ Chark was the 19th rated recruit and a 3-star in his class. Russell Gage the 2nd best receiver on the team was rated three spots lower.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:53 pm to Tiger Ree
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We're one play away from winning 10 games. We were 3-2, then we go 6-1. We lose to Alabama. We fought them pretty hard. We had a couple plays there we didn't make. Then we're one play away in the Notre Dame game from winning 10 games.
We beat FU on a doinked extra point. We beat Auburn by less than a touchdown. So we were also "one play away" from 8-5 and two plays away from 7-6.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:04 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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We beat FU on a doinked extra point. We beat Auburn by less than a touchdown. So we were also "one play away" from 8-5 and two plays away from 7-6.
This is just an example of how two people can see the same thing so differently.
A perennially pessimistic person will see it as you do. An optimistic person would see it just as Coach Eaux said.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:12 pm to Tiger Ree
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Georgia took a 3 point lead against ND at ND with over 3 minutes in the game and held on to win. It can be done.
Actually UGA went up by 1. They won the game 20-19. If they went for it and missed they would have still been down by 2. A TD with a 2 point conversion would have only put them up by 6. See there’s this thing called situational analysis but I wouldn’t expect someone that claims to be an analyst to understand that.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:28 pm to Tiger Ree
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This is just an example of how two people can see the same thing so differently.
A perennially pessimistic person will see it as you do. An optimistic person would see it just as Coach Eaux said.
It isn't about optimism or pessimism, if you decide to do this kind of "we were this close" math, then it's only logical that you do the math in the opposite direction as well. Otherwise you are ignoring problems, gaps and weaknesses.
Which essentially makes the whole exercise meaningless in this case, because we were on a thin line between an slightly better than average season and a disaster. (It's also why the result of the season was directly that - average).
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:34 pm to Freauxzen
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It isn't about optimism or pessimism, if you decide to do this kind of "we were this close" math, then it's only logical that you do the math in the opposite direction as well.
Wish I had more than one upvote. I was thinking this, but don't think I could've said it any better.
That said, I honestly don't mind O being an optimist and trying to sell his program. Just don't lie or make any outrageous claims in doing so.
Eta: Before the O supporters swarm the lie and outrageous claims comment, how about we say don't contradict yourself in the media? I think that is MORE than fair.
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:43 pm to Tiger Ree
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This is just an example of how two people can see the same thing so differently.
A perennially pessimistic person will see it as you do. An optimistic person would see it just as Coach Eaux said.
No, Derek. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of O's argument.
We weren't a 10-win team. Almost doesn't count.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Actually UGA went up by 1.They won the game 20-19
Correct, my bad.
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If they went for it and missed they would have still been down by 2.
And if LSU had gone and missed they would have still been tied. Giving ND a chance to win with a FG.
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A TD with a 2 point conversion would have only put them up by 6.
Hell of a lot better than leading by one point. Did you happen to notice ND's field goal kicker? Against LSU he made FG's of 46 and 49 yards.
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See there’s this thing called situational analysis but I wouldn’t expect someone that claims to be an analyst to understand that.
The situational analysis would tell you LSU had already failed to score a TD inside the 1 yard line.
1st and Goal at ND 10
(10:00 - 2nd) Darrel Williams run for 9 yds to the NDame 1
2nd and Goal at ND 1
(9:20 - 2nd) Darrel Williams run for no gain to the NDame 1
3rd and Goal at ND 1
(8:29 - 2nd) Danny Etling run for no gain to the NDame 1
Penalty and missed FG followed.
The situational analysis would tell you that Dave Aranda was standing on the LSU sideline. That ND would have had 2 minutes and 1 timeout remaining against Dave's defense.
Situational analysis would also show that LSU's defense had given up very few points in the fourth quarter of games last season.
A&M 4th quarter points = 0
Tennessee 4th quarter points = 0
Arkansas 4th quarter points = 0
Alabama 4th quarter points = 3
Auburn 2nd half points = 0
Looks like the correct situational analysis was to take the 3 points and win the game.
Good coaches know things like that. Don't you think?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:59 pm to TN Bhoy
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And that caused us to lower expectations?
No. But apparently it caused you to have immediate expectations.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:59 pm to Tiger Ree
Wasnt Miles a quarter of a second away from keeping his job last year?
Close is a BS excuse. Orgeron didnt win 10 games because of Orgeron.
Close is a BS excuse. Orgeron didnt win 10 games because of Orgeron.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:03 pm to TigerLunatik
When you sign 0 CBs at DBU when you only have 5 soon to be 4 CBs rankings dont matter much either. A 1 star is and available roster spots is better than an empty spot.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:04 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:Agreed.
Wish I had more than one upvote. I was thinking this, but don't think I could've said it any better.
That said, I honestly don't mind O being an optimist and trying to sell his program. Just don't lie or make any outrageous claims in doing so.
Eta: Before the O supporters swarm the lie and outrageous claims comment, how about we say don't contradict yourself in the media? I think that is MORE than fair.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:08 pm to A1tiger
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And would have been 3 touchdowns if Saban wanted to score.
He did want to score and the defense wouldn't let him. That's why he tried to throw the ball deep to Devonta Smith on the last possession. He was trying to pour it on and rub in it with a La. player. When they failed on that possession, he was furious.
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:16 pm to UpToPar
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LSU's average recruiting class over the last 5 years (2013-2017) is 4th best in the country. ND's is 8th.
And did the QB we had leading the team fit into that average ranking? You guys keep forgetting we still had to live through the same problem we've had over that period of time which is QB play.
And we'll still have a QB problem after Brennan/Narcisse if neither steps up and the offense becomes attractive enough that recruits can see themselves playing in it.
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:21 pm to Will2nd
The QB was serviceable and as the O guys keep repeating LSU set records with that QB at the helm in '16.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:21 pm to Tiger Ree
And a realistic person sees we went 9-4 and being close either way doesn’t matter.
We at best plateaued with low end Miles Seasons. We didn’t improve.
We at best plateaued with low end Miles Seasons. We didn’t improve.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:22 pm to Tiger Ree
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You do realize he has been the head coach for one season?
You have included the 2016 season as a success for O as a head coach when he was interim HC. You also give him credit for hauling in the #7 ranked recruiting class for 2017. So, this means O is going into his "3rd" season as HC instead of his "2nd"....
Would you like to pick a stance or have it both ways?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:28 pm to oleheat
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No. But apparently it caused you to have immediate expectations.
Really true. Idiots on this board actually expected a first year head coach with a first year OC and playing over 30 freshmen with 12 having to start to win the national championship.
No matter what LSU had of done they would still be just as miserable as they are today.
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