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re: Dandy Don clearing up the new signing rules

Posted on 1/22/18 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 1/22/18 at 4:56 pm to
I know this guy is supposed to be one that knows but I still believe hes incorrect about the transfers. I've poured over many articles and explanations, while also reading the rule numerous times and the way he explains the transfers as initial counters is not how the rule reads. A kid can't be an initial counter at multiple schools. If he is correct then the word initial needs to be removed from the term. The kicker was an initial counter because he had never been on scholarship. Therefore he is being "counted" for the first time or initially.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:01 pm to
I also thought that what you're saying was correct, but I now think I was wrong. Looking back, the language in the rulebook is ambiguous at best, and I always just assumed it meant what you're saying.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:53 pm to
The ambiguity in the rule is due to our minds wanting to justify something different; not the rule itself. Take your bitch for example:
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A kid can't be an initial counter at multiple schools. If he is correct then the word initial needs to be removed from the term. The kicker was an initial counter because he had never been on scholarship. Therefore he is being "counted" for the first time or initially.


It is manifestly obvious that the rule is written from the perspective of an individual school. The limit is 25, not 3200 or whatever 25 times the number of FBS schools is. If the rule meant to exclude someone who signed anywhere else, it would have to say anywhere else like it explicitly does for walk ons of 2+ years.

The rule is pretty clear when you get your head straight. Anyone who signs a promise of or an award of a scholarship counts, except for those explicitly excluded.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 6:56 pm
Posted by cfmalloy
Member since Apr 2017
97 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 1:12 am to
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Dandy Don clearing up the new signing rules by lsufanva

I know this guy is supposed to be one that knows but I still believe hes incorrect about the transfers. I've poured over many articles and explanations, while also reading the rule numerous times and the way he explains the transfers as initial counters is not how the rule reads. A kid can't be an initial counter at multiple schools. If he is correct then the word initial needs to be removed from the term. The kicker was an initial counter because he had never been on scholarship. Therefore he is being "counted" for the first time or initially.





Correct, I agree. Absolutely.

Plus, Seth Stewart withdrew before the season started, he gets to be replaced, and Jefferson signed late - as in outside the 2017 counting period window, albeit after the new annual count/year-long counting window kicked in ... starting with the 2018 class (Not the 2017 class that he was a part of). There were 5 EEs last year)2017) and 3 EEs in 2016 (when not all the 25 were used either, adding to the cumulative back counter credit carryforward.

And transfers not previously on scholarship count but transfers previously on scholarship are NOT "initial counters" and do not count against the annual cap limit of 25 initial counters. They do count against the overall cap limit of 85 counters which is cumulative with initial/first time counters and prior counters, but that's a different cap limit.
This post was edited on 1/23/18 at 1:25 am
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